You are the "Tee-Totalers" with the default name of "Jack Daniels"

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Scouse Git[1]

Thanks very much vik!!! i just know i'm going to go the wrong way and i'm going to get a crap start position and i'll lose... again!!!

AC 1871 AD

Monarchy -1650
Republic +300
Democracy +1000

Colossus -1200
Copernicus +260
Shakespeare +420
Newton +740
Darwin +1550
Apollo +1802

Trade #1 -225
#2 -175
#3 +180

Trade -825
Construction -475
Sanitation +620
Refrigeration +1460
Automobile +1640
Computers +1768
Space Flight +1800

Pop 12 +540
Pop 25 +1630

I also got a bit too wild in my city growth. I grew to size 28 and then counted shield squares. I realized to my horror that to get 80 production, I would need to forest so many squares that my food would go into deficit by 10-12, enough to kill off my engineers much too early. I managed to get out of the problem by building another engineer (reducing pop to 27), and then converting the river squares to hills instead of forest. I ended up with a food deficit of 4, not nearly as bad.

With the gold mountain, after growing to size 4, I had 0 food surplus. I was able to set my luxuries to 20% (10% once the marketplace was built) and celebrate WLTKDs until I discovered republic. It increased my science output a good 30-50%.

The English built Hanging Garden, and were thereby able to build a bunch of cities. They had quite a thriving empire, and were outpacing me in spaceship component production. Luckily they didn't discover Superconductor, so their 38-8-8-8-0-0-0 spaceship stayed on the ground.

v242, Diety

going North

2450 BC Monarchy
0925 BC Republic
0700 AD Democracy

1350 BC Colossus
0040 AD Copernicus' Observatory
0420 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
1160 AD Newton's College
1610 AD Darwin's Voyage
1814 AD Apollo Program

0450 BC Trade Route #1
0450 BC Trade Route #2
0350 BC Trade Route #3

0650 BC Trade
2150 BC Construction
0140 AD Sanitation
1040 AD Refrigeration
1520 AD Automobile
1740 AD Computers
1812 AD Space flight

0650 BC Size 12
0640 AD Size 21

Thinking (well what passes for that where I'm concerned):
"I want the whale not the fish so if (Big IF!) these specials are in the sought pattern it has to be North or West. Nothing better - I was born on the West coast so 'Westward Ho!'"

4000 An inhospitable looking mountain, "Thank you, vik!"

3950 Now found fish & buffalo, but if they are in the pattern I need to build on a hill. Not now...

3900 Spice - but no pattern yet

3800 Southern Settler finds gold, Northern sights hut

3750 "Thar she blows!" Southern Settler spots whale blowing and coast hugging trireme locates wine - we have a 4 special site! hut - Archer

3650 Liverpool founded on Whale, Gold, Buffalo & Wine
3500 Hut - Horseman
3450 Warrior#1; Aztecs, peace
3350 Settler finally returns to Liverpool city radius; Aztecs maps no alliance
3300 Zulus - Ceremonial Burial(swapped), Mysticism(gifted) alliance
3250 Warrior#2; start Colossus
2750 Hut - (none) Archers
2650 Hut - (none) Chariot
2450 Monarchy; Revolution; MONARCHY; Buffalo to Pheasant
2400 Horseman gets air ticket home; Mongols - 50g + alliance
2350 Barbars kill Chariot; Mongols - Currency, Masonry, Pottery
2250 Mongols - maps
2150 Hut - CONSTRUCTION
2050 Archer (eventually) gets air ticket home
1950 Hut - Mathematics
1800 Hut - Barbarian kills Warrior
1750 Hut - Barbarian dies attacking Archer
1600 Wine now mined
Observation - a damaged unit self heals whilst aboard ship - I didn't know this.
1400 Hut - 25g; Aztecs, Literacy still no alliance!
1350 COLOSSUS
1250 Barbarian landing on my original mountain!
0975 Barbarian leader - 150g
0925 Philosophy - The Republic, Revolution, REPUBLIC (jammy eh!?)
0900 WLCD @ 4
0825 Zulus 100g; Mongols Horseback Riding, The Wheel + 200g; Aztecs Alliance, maps 150g; WLCD off @ 7
0800 Colosseum
0775 WLCD @ 7
0760 Mongols 150g
0650 TRADE; WLCD off @ 12; Mongols take 130g, Trade, give 150g
0475 Astronomy
0450 TRADE ROUTE #1&2 - Gold to Tlatelolco 82g; Beads to Teotihuacan 184g
0350 Medicine; TRADE ROUTE #3 - Dye to Tenochtitlan 228g
0225 University
0200 Aztecs Banking, 25g; Zulus 100g; Mongols Seafaring, Iron Working cancel alliance
0175 Barbar leader 150g at the cost of one unirigation
0125 Coal to Tenochtitlan 114g
0075 Bridge Building
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AD40 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY; 100g from allies
0060 Engineering
0120 Beads to Hlobane 216g
0140 Sanitation
0200 Sewer System
0220 Chemistry; 150g, Navigation, Polytheism from allies
0240 Harbour
0260 WLCD @ 12; Barbarian landing (3 Legion + Leader)
0280 WLCD off @ 13; Invention
0360 150g from allies
0380 Gunpowder; 50g from allies
0420 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE; WLCD @ 13
0460 Bank
0500 Explosives
0520 150g from allies
0540 Engineer; 50g from allies
0560 remember to sell Colosseum
0580 Engineer; sell Temple
0620 Theory of Gravity
0640 WLCD off @ 21
0660 Wine to Ulundi 190g
0700 Democracy; Revolution; DEMOCRACY (I don't think I've ever had this three times before!)
0760 Metalurgy
0840 Physics; Wine to Ulundi 197g; rotten 25g from allies!
0860 Barbar landing - Knights this time!
0900 Magnetism; Mongols declare war - RATS! rush build Musketeer
0960 Electricity; fortified Archer beats one Knight; fortified Musk beats one and barely loses to second - taken out by horse; fit archer pursues leader - I have survived this time! Rush build diplo (Adam please note!)
0980 Barbar leader 150g
1040 REFRIGERATION; more Barbars on horizon - I'm beginning to dislike this game!
1060 French, peace, maps, no allliance - a buffer state for the Mongols - perhaps I can relax a little.
1100 Economics + 50g from allies - French still will not ally - Barbars lose two Knights to Archer in hill fortress (who doesn't get vet status - boo!)
1120 Steam Engine
1140 Supermarket; Wine to Ulundi 200g
1160 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
1180 Railroad
1200 Musk blows away Elephant and achieves Vet status
1220 100g from allies
1240 Industrialisation
1300 The Corporation; Wine to Ulundi 134g
1360 Steel
1420 Refining
1440 50g from allies; Wine to Ulundi 200g
1480 Combustion
1520 AUTOMOBILE; Barbar leader 150g
1530 Superhighways
1540 Electronics
1600 Feudalism
1610 DARWIN'S VOYAGE - Chivalry, Leadership
1640 Tactics
1650 Wine to Ulundi (again) 370g
1680 Machine Tools
1710 Miniaturisation - things getting seriously sticky Mongols to the West, French to the South and Barbars to the East - this may be a disaster ...
1720 New hill created
1740 Computers, Offshore Platform
1750 175g from allies; New hill mined production now 34 (which I think will become > 80 when factoried, powered and manufactured)
1752 Research Lab
1760 Robotics, Factory
1762 Power Plant; 50g from Zulus; Wine to Ulundi 367g
1766 Atomic Theory; 100g from Aztecs
1770 Nuclear Fission; Peace with French - not that you can trust them ever!
1780 Flight (sob!)
1782 50g from Zulus
1784 my nuclear powered trireme enjoys its first outing!
1788 Radio; Wine to Ulundi 195g
1792 Build Cruiser for Mongol baiting; Gems to Tenochtitlan 88g
1796 Advanced Flight; Wine to Ulundi (bloody drunk Zulus) 202g - come to think of it - bloody drunk Scouse gits on their third bottle of red! Gold to Tenochtitlan 94g
1798 Manufacturing Plant
1804 Wine to Ulundi 192g
1808 Rocketry
1812 Space Flight
1814 APOLLO PROGRAM - brings back pictures that tell of the wonderful OCC site to be found to the DRATTED EAST after I have gone West - vik - I heartily HATE YOU!
1820 The Laser - French being seriously bloody minded
1822 250g from allies - gave the Zulus Feudalism
1826 Plastics
1830 200g from Aztecs
1836 Superconductor
1842 Structural#14, Component#1, Espionage - sneak attack by Frogs!
1857 Fusion Power; Launch!
1858 Airport;
1859 Combined Arms; Stealth Fighter (Vet)
1865 SAM Battery
1866 Coastal Fortress
1868 Rheims destroyed by Stealth fighter
1870 Marseilles destroyed by armour - I love the French
1872 LANDING AC

Wow! Definitely the hardest OCC I have ever played - it was touch and go from about AD 800 whether or not I would survive never mind achieve a landing. As it was I had to expand enormous resources simply to defend myself and my landing date reflects this all too well.
That was a real stinker, vik! Wish i had gone East - the extra river squares there would have made an enormous difference.

Thanks to all concerned.
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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

Anyway my log...

2.42 Deity

Monarchy 2450bc
Republic 525bc
Democracry 1180ad

Colossus 1300bc
Observatory 200ad
Theatre 560ad
Newtons 1000ad
Darwins 1650ad
Apollo 1862ad

1st trade 575bc
2nd 540ad
3rd 1280ad

Construction 75bc
Trade 1300bc
Sanitation 1040ad
Refridgeration 1670ad
Automobile 1778ad
Computers 1824ad
Space Flight 1861ad

size 12 800ad
size 24 1802ad

AC landing 1906ad!!!

I'm glad to see some of the responses on this scenario. As everyone who has played it realizes by now, there really wasn't one good location and three bad locations as the introduction would suggest.

Rather, all four directions led to a quite decent starting location. The East location might be considered slightly superior due to the fact it had one extra river square, but the east location didn't quite have as many trade specials as the other three, so I suppose it is a trade-off. I was striving for four pretty equal sites.

The statement in the introduction was just a ruse to hopefully arouse your senses. It also served to give every player a feeling of success early in the game.

"Yes! I found the right spot!" probably went through everyone's mind after a little bit of early exploring. This statement undoubtably followed curses after turn #1, because no matter which direction you chose, the first bit of land you saw was a big rock.

I wanted to make the map so that your trireme could go just about anywhere you needed it to go. I also tried to make the 4-special location easy to find after just a little bit of exploring. If you didn't find a 4-special location, I offer an apology and a promise. The promise is that for my next scenario, I will make the starting location very obvious. heh heh heh ...

My next scenario won't be ready for OCC#9, so I ask that someone else submit a scenario. Mine will be ready for OCC#10 (wow, roughly 20 weeks of this!). Also, if several of you have scenarios ready, let me know here or in the OCC#9 thread and I'll know to wait while we play some other scenarios.

take care.

This game broke my heart - at one stage I was supporting six units - I can normally get by with only one or two (+ the Engineers).

Great game

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Good civin'

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Scouse Git[1]

Monarchy -1250
Republic 540
Demacracy 1340

Colossus -1300
Copernicus 660
Shakespeare 880
Newton 1360
Darwin 1700
Apollo 1814

Trade routes: 100, 240, 320

Size 12: 700
Size 20: 1100

the city that I had my 1st 2 trade routes with was destroyed(I didn't even notice) which probably wasn't helpful.

I tried Scouse's idea of caravans for wonders as it seems logical before your city is producing 25 sheilds

close my eyes and head down...Land Ho!
3900-I see gold
3850-wine and oasis
3800-whale!looks good-a few roads first
3700-hut-Burial
3500-hut-horseman
3450-Cardiff
3250-warrior-start Collosus
3200-contact Aztecs-gift Map-share maps-peace
3150-hut-50 gold
3100-gift Laws to Aztecs
2700-contact Zulus-gift Map and Laws-share maps-peace
2500-Monarchy-revolt-trade Zulus Alpha and Monarchy for Horseback and Myst-alliance
2450-govt-Monarchy
2400-gift Monarchy to Aztecs
2150-contact French-trade Alpha for Pottery,Myst for Currency-gift Map and Monarchy-peace-share maps-gift Pottery to Aztecs-share maps with Zulus and Aztecs
1900-gift Myst and Burial to French-wont ally-dam-I can see a purple warrior but cant reach it due to French ZOC-gift Burial to Zulus-trade Aztecs Currency for Mason-gift Burial
1600-Collosus
1500-Writing-gift Writing to Zulus-Writing and Mason to French-alliance-receive 25 gold-gift Writing to Aztecs-alliance-receive 150 gold
1450-library
1200-market
1050-Trade
975-trade Aztecs Trade for Construction-French gift 25-Zulus 50
950-hides caravan
925-Construction to Zulus-Trade to French-receive 25 gold
900-contact Mongols-gift Monarchy-ceasefire(French insisted I come to their aid)
850-gold caravan-Aztecs gift Warrior Code-gift Construction to French-share maps-gift Warrior Code to Zulus-gift Trade to Mongols
800-gift all
775-temple
750-Literacy
675-gift Lit to France receive 50-
600-colliseum-hides to Orleans(demanded) 88 bonus
550-Philosophy-Republic-revolt-trade Aztecs Repub for Math-receive Poly-Repub to Zulus and French-Mongols declare war
525-govt-Republic-gold to Orleans-44 bonus
500-start”we love” size 3
450-aquaduct
375-silk caravan-start wonder
350-trade French Poly for Banking
325-hut-Barbs
300-non horse KIA
275-end “we love” 12-sell colliseum-gift all-Zulus cancel alliance-Aztecs gift 150
225-Astronomy
200-Aztecs gift 50
100-Cope’s
25-caravan-barbs cause disorder
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AD20-silk to Teo-(demanded)396 bonus
60-The Wheel-caravan-gift The Wheel and Astronomy to Aztecs and French-Aztecs gift 50-French cancel alliance-Zulus declare war
100-caravan-gift Wheel to Zulus ceasefire
160-Engineering-caravan
200-trade Aztecs Engineering for Seafaring-receive 100
220-caravan
240-Shake’s
260-Sanitation
280-harbor-Zulus declare war
320-start “we love” 12
340-sewer system-Engineering and Sanitation to Zulus-ceasefire-French declare war-Sanitation and Medicine to Aztecs-receive 100-gift all to Mongols-peace
380-Invention
400-bank
420-Aztecs gift 100
460-gold caravan
480-end “we love” 20-
500-Democracy-revolt-salt caravan
540-govt-Democracy-contact Chinese-trade Sanitation for Iron Working-gift Trade and Philosophy-peace-share maps
560-walls-slight miscalculation
600-contact England-trade Democracy and Invention for Bridge Building and Feudalism-peace-Zulus declare war-gift all to Aztecs-receive 100-gift all to China-Mongols declare war
620-University-salt to Canton(demanded) 146 bonus-I just noticed that Orleans is gone and so are my trade routes.
640-build university
680-Gravity-Invention and University to Mongols-peace
700-coal caravan
740-Economics-dye caravan
780-diplomat-large raiding party headin my way.Lots of barb activity in this southern locale so far
800-Gunpowder- enlighten 2 barb legions 82 gold each-gold arrives in Teno(demanded) 378 bonus-3 routes up again
820-caravan-French elephant arrives-recruited-102 gold
840-Chemistry-peace with French and Zulus
860-caravan-start wonder
920-Sir Ike’s
940-Aztecs gift 50
960-Metallurgy-bribe barb-82 gold
980-ai caravan from Teno-new route-2 routes now with the largest ai city(12)
1020-Navigation-stock exchange-The south is swarming with barbs
1060-engineer-settler KIA by barb crusader-bribed 82 gold
1080-Physics-engineer
1120-Magnetism-gift all to Zulus and Aztecs-receive Mono
1140-coal caravan
1160-Electricity-barb leader 150
1180-salt caravan-Aztecs cancel alliance
1200-Refrigeration
1220-supermarket
1240-Steam Engine-alliance with China-gift all cept Steam-receive 100-Mongols declare war-England declares war-got suckered by “enthusiastic”-French declare war-gift all cept Steam to Zulus-
1260-food caravan-Economics and Gravity to Zulus-Metallurgy to China
1280-Railroad
1300-start “we love” 18-FC(food caravan)
1340-Industrialization-FC
1360-French steal Economics
1380-FC
1400-Steel-gift Indust to Aztecs-coal to Teno 93 salt 93-ceasefire with French
1420-FC-Navigation to Mongols-ceasefire-end”we love” 24-sell sewer
1440-The Corporation-sell aquaduct
1460-Food Freight-start Darwin’s
1480-Refining-GIFT ALL-trade England for Chivalry-share maps
1500-Darwins-Combustion-Automobile
1510-Mass Production-more tech gifting
1530-Electronics
1540-superhighway
1550-Leadership
1570-Tactics
1580-bribe barb dragoon 102
1590-Machine Tools
1610-Miniaturization
1630-Computers
1640-research lab-disband elephant and legion
1650-alpine troop-disband dragoon
1660-armor-the ais are getting a little advanced
1670-Robotics
1690-Flight
1710-Radio-factory
1730-Advanced Flight-gift Tactics to China-receive 200 gold
1750-Rocketry-power plant
1754-Space Flight-manufacturing plant
1758-Plastics-offshore platform-start Apollo
1762-Atomic Theory
1766-Nuclear Fission-Chinese gift 200
1770-Nuclear Power
1774-The Laser-Apollo
1778-Superconductor
1800-Fusion Power
1804-15 structurals
1806-Stealth-sell research lab
1808-sell university
1810-sell library
1816-6 components
1820-sell superhighway-
1822-3 modules- launch
23-SAM
24-coastal fort
25-barracks
26-armor-China cancels alliance
27-stealth fighter
28-howitzer
29-howitzer
30-alpine troop
31-alpine troop
32-alpine troop
33-alpine troop
34-alpine troop
35-alpine troop
36-you guessed it-alpine troop
37-arrival

Wonders
Collosus-1600BC
Cope’s-100BC
Shake’s-240AD
Sir Ike’s-920AD
Darwins-1500AD
Apollo-1774-AD

Govts.
Monarchy-2450BC
Republic-525BC
Democracy-540AD

Trade routes
1.600BC
2.-525BC
3.-20AD

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Scouse Git[1]

I think the southern location had the best combo(whale,wine,gold,oasis and 4 river squares) but was a little more isolated and a haven for barbs.

Perhaps gifting.Having suspected,I am now sure that gifting can make the difference between 2 turns and 3.Several times my research dropped to 3 turns.I would gift techs and sure enough it would change to 2 turns.I didn't have to gift to every civ.I would gift to one,then check science advisor.Repeat if neccessary.
You can overdo it.I dropped to 3 turns just before superhighway.I gifted to 2 civs and got 2 turns.I figured I'd gift to all and when done it had dropped to 3 turns.

Any other suggestions?

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Did anyone/everyone who played find a drastically increased amount of barb activity?

Just a quick glance at the logs shows that there seemed to be a lot more. Is this noticeably true, or not?

I think I found something in the options that makes the barbs go after you more...

So what is it you've found in the options? is it the options in the rules.txt or some scenario ones???

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edit: I did have an interesting thing happen midgame. A barbarian transport caravel appeared off my coast, but I was able to move units (I had 3-4 caravans at the time) to all the coastal squares off my city. The caravel just sat there for the next 20 or so turns, unable to land its units and unwilling to attack. Eventually it just disappeared.

I beleive it was barbs that destroyed the city I originally set up trade routes with.It was in the south also.

The barbs "backed off" a bit when I had a diplomat and suffient funds to make "multiple bribes".In fact my "army" was mainly comprised of "re-educated" barbs for most of the game.

In hindsight, losing my trireme early hurt, as did poort diplomacy. Also, with the Zulus and Mongols as my neighbors I should have known I needed a bigger army. Plus, I was stupid and built diplomats when I didn't have enough money to bribe (Guess I'm too used to playing a fundamentalist gov...)

Summary:

Monarchy 1850 BC
Republic 60 AD

Colossus 1200 BC
Copernicus 680 AD

Trade routes: 200 BC, 25 BC, 620 AD

650 BC Trade
125 BC Construction

-4000 I'm going west, which is probably the wrong way.
-3550 Cardiff founded. Woo! I think I guessed right.
-3350 Warrior (for exploring)
-3150 Warrior.
-3100 Warrior releases horde of barbarians.
-3050 Warriors destroyed!
-3000 Size 2.
-2950 Warrior. Begin Colussus.
-2600 Ceremonial Burial
-2450 Trireme destroyed by barbarians.
-2000 French Civilization destroyed by mongols.
-1850 Monarchy, begin revolution, switch to Monarchy.
-1450 Currency.
-1250 Zulus: Mysticsm, Horse Back Riding. Alliance, 50 gold. They refuse
to share maps.
-1200 Colussus.
-950 Market Place
Writing.
Share maps with zulus.
-900 Declare war on Mongols for Zulus.
-725 Library.
-650 Trade.
-625 Phalanx.
-450 Caravan.
-400 Masonry.
-325 Caravan.
-275 Mongols, Peace Treaty.
-250 Zulus: Polytheism. 200 gold.
-225 Caravan.
Aztecs. Peace. Iron Working, Republic, Literacy.
-200 Dye Caravan arrives in Tenochitlan, 96 gold. +3 trade.
-125 Construction.
-100 Temple Size 5.
Mongols break peace treaty. Kill my phalanx, (loose 1 pop)
A caravan, and my settler.
-75 Elephant. I destroyed Mongol Chariot.
-50 Phalanx.
-25 Bead caravan arrives in Bapedi, 76 gold. +2 trade route.
1 Elephant destroyed by Mongol horsemen.
Mongols refuse to talk.
20 Begin Revolution.
Peace with Mongols, for breaking alliance with Zulus.
40 Colusseum
60 Republic Begin WLTCD size 4.
140 Philosophy
Matehmatics.
160 Settlers.
Alliance with Aztecs (they suggested it...) 100 gold gift.
Zulus refuse alliance, share maps.
Mongols refuse alliance, shar emaps.
180 Size 8, can't grow further w/o aquaduct.
220 Aquaduct.
260 WLTCD Canceled size 10, because stupid zulu elephant stepped on my terrain.
340 Caravan.
Begin Great Wall with hopes of swtiching to copernicus.
360 Astronomy. Switch to copernicus.
460 Pottery, 25 gold from Aztecs.
540 Mongols declare war, attack and kill my settler!
580 Mongols destroy my phalanx, I'm only protected by a little
warrior.
620 Gold Caravan arrives in Tenochtitlan, revunue 90 gold.
Sell Colusseum.
Cease Fire with mongols, but I had to give them medicine...
660 Sell Aquaduct in order to beat english to copernicus.
680 Copernicus Observatory.
Banking from Aztecs. No gift.
720 Phalanx.
740 Bridge Building.
760 Diplomat.
820 Diplomat, but I can't bribe mongol troops with my low budget,
so I disband warrior to help build diplomat.
880 Catapult, time to declare war before the mongols do, I destroy
Mongol catapult outside of my city.
920 Sneak attack by Zulu Crusaders! Aztecs come to my aid
940 Crusaders kill a diplomat, Phalanx.
960 Crusaders kill my phalanx. WLTCD celebrated!
1000 Catapult, I destroy zulu catapult.
Sell off library.
1020 Zulus destroy catapult. Only diplomat left. Tax rate up to 80.
1040 Zulus destroy diplomat, Mongols take my city.

It seems that when you only have one city, the barbs will always lose when they attack that city -- as long as you have something defending it.

Using the cheat menu, I once placed 12 barbarian howitzers, all veterans, right next to my only city. That city was defended by a caravan. My caravan prevailed.

But i've got another question for you guys!!!!! I'm playing occ5 (Whalers), i'm doing ok i think, and i've even been counting my science beakers to stop wastage!!!!! But..... It keeps on jumping around more than a 5 year old on speed!! here are some details:

i'm researching chemistry, needing 1066 beakers. 2 turns at 70%, problem is next turn it rockets to 1600 half way through researching?!?!?!
So i give away techs like there's no tomorrow (i only have contact with 4 out of 6 civs) and get it down to 1092 beakers!!
Then i do refining at 1092, so that's ok!!! then i start combustion which sky rockets to 1500, so i give away more techs and get down to 1032, so do that in 2 turns!! then metalurgy goes to 1628 beakers, and i give away everylast tech!! and it goes down to 1584 what am i to do!!!!! and my next one steel is at 1739!!!!

Or my trade routes change due to the receiving city having a population drop or government change.

Or for no apparent reason at all.I do what you have been doing.Gift until it gets back to where it supposed to be.Gotta draw a line somewhere though,else the ais get too advanced.Eventually,I just accept 3 turns and muddle thru best I can.I'm usually in the drivers seat by then.

Diety, 1.07
AC: 1841

Monarchy: -2050
Republic: -425
Democracy: 780

Colossus: -1450
Copes: 100
Shakes: 500
Ikes: 860
Darwins: 1440
Apollo: 1774

trade: -400, -300, -50

size 12: -175
size 21: 680

not a bad starting site, except for the lack of land Since I'm on 1.07 instead of 2.42, I can't use the location numbers to see where/how big the the land is scenario says go in the basic compass directions, so land is nearby, but 3 spaces away - whales may be too obvious, lets try fishies. South

wine, gold, oasis, whale, 4 rivers - looks good, course i need to found on an already shielded grassland...

-3750 Losht Worrld founded
-3550 warrior, use trireme to ferry warrior to hut I found
-3500 hut, Kells founded (retry) 50 gp
-3300 warrior
-3200 size 2
-2850 barbs land nearby, glad i haven't mined wine yet
-2700 size 3
-2600 barbs bypass city, barb leader disappears
-2200 Monarchy, revolt
-2050 Monarchy founded (not having any units is hurting)
-1800 size 4
-1450 Colossus
-1400 start WL
-1300 hut (finally), horseman!
-1250 Masonry
-1200 meet french, currency, peace, alliance, 50 gp
-1150 hut, 50 gp, haven't quite got construction, if i had it settlers could build fort - time to make a break for it, maybe i can goad them into attacking my city instead of pillaging (and hope paris survives too)
-1100 decoy working so far
-1050 warrior escorts settler past ZoC into city - lets see if it attacks in 2 rounds or pillages the grassland
-975 everyone survives, and mines are in tact!
-875 peace (mongols)
-775 size 5
-675 Literacy
-625 caravan
-500 caravan, Republic, revolt
-425 Republic founded
-400 silver (demanded, 194) to paris
-350 WL
-300 dye (demanded, 102) to paris
-275 philosophy, mathmatics
-200 meet zulus, warrior code, horseback riding, alliance, 150 gp
-175 size 12, cancel WL, sell temple
-150 hut (finally!), 2 barb horses - well, i didn't need that warrior taking up resourses anyway , meet aztecs (seafaring, pottery, alliance, no gift)
-125 50 gp (french)
-50 caravan, Astronomy, gold (undemanded, 212) to Karakorum
1AD harbor (oops - meant to wait)
40 caravan
60 Medicine
80 caravan, 75 gp, polytheism (zulus), iron working, 50 gp (aztecs)
100 Copernicus' Observatory, Mongol's capture paris, destroy allied french
120 hut, feuldalism
180 arg, Mongols, Aztecs and I all discover University this round
240 university
260 150 gp (zulus)
280 caravan, bridge building (chinese)
300 salt (demanded, 196) to shanghai
320 caravan, Wheel
360 caravan
400 caravan, Engineering
440 caravan
480 caravan, Sanitation, silver (demanded, 420) to Teotihuacan, sell colosseum
500 Shakespeare's Theater, WL
520 sewer system, Banking
560 bank, barb landing party (tries to goad them out of pillaging again)
580 nope, didn't work, oasis pillaged
600 diplomat, bribe legion, disband warrior
620 Theory of Gravity
640 caravan
680 caravan, Size 21, cancel WL
700 Invention
720 caravan
740 150 gp (zulu)
760 silver (demanded, 282) to Teotihuacan)
780 Democracy, revolt, Democracy founded(kewl! - made up for the turns/tech going up 2 consecutive turns...)
800 caravan
840 caravan, Chemistry
860 Isaac Newton's College
900 caravan, Economics, Navigation, 50 gp (Aztecs)
920 Explosives
940 engineers
960 Physics
1000 Magnetism
1020 silver (demanded, 287) to Teotihuacan
1040 stock exchange
1060 Metalurgy
1080 caravan
1120 caravan, Electricity, Aztecs => Chivalry, 50 gp (wow, you really can ask for and get money after refusing to give money)
1140 WL, 100 gp (Zulu)
1160 engineers
1180 Refrigeration, bribe zulu wine
1200 supermarket, barbs land, killed food caravan - bribed crusader, engineer vet
1220 silver (demanded, 287) to Teotihuacan
1260 Steam Engine
1280 caravan
1320 caravan, Railroad
1360 caravan
1380 Industrialization
1400 caravan, WL, wine (demanded, 167) to Canterbury
1440 Darwin's Voyage, Corporation, legion killed by Mongols, crusader vet
1500 Steel
1530 Refining
1540 Factory
1560 freight, Combustion,capture barb leader
1580 Engineers
1590 Automobile
1600 Superhighways
1610 Mass Production, 100 gp (Zulu)
1620 Power Plant, Conscription (Aztec)
1640 freight, Leadership
1660 freight
1670 Tactics, silver (demanded, 615) to Teotihuacan
1680 freight, Machine Tools
1690 engineers (production needs a _lot_ of help, and need pollution help too), down to 25
1700 Miniaturization
1710 Offshore Platform
1720 Computers
1730 Research lab
1740 Mobile Warfare
1750 freight
1752 Robotics
1754 freight
1756 Flight, 100 gp (Aztecs)
1758 Manufacturing Plant
1760 freight, cloth (demanded, 227) to Beijing
1764 Advanced Flight
1768 Rocketry
1772 Space Flight
1774 Apollo Program, disband horseman
1776 Struct #1, Plastics, disband crusaders
1778 #2
1780 #3, Atomic Theory
1782 #4, 100 gp (zulu) (aztecs' patience wears thin)
1784 #5, turns go up again, treasury depleted, at least I got the hill in, can start disbanding engineers soon, may have to use my 5 freights early
1786 #6, good thing i have a large food surplus, pollution is getting out of hand, deliver 2 freight
1788 Comp #1, Nuclear Fission, disband cannon, production at 80, hope science rate can cut it
1790 Comp #2
1792 struct #7, WL, disband 2 engineers
1794 comp #3, Nuclear Power, size 26, cancel WL
1796 struct #8, sell sewer system (1 round late)
1798 #9, sell aquaduct
1800 #10
1802 #11, Laser
1804 #12
1806 #13
1808 #14
1810 #15, Superconductor
1812 Comp #4 Science can do it, may be a tad short on gold
1814 #5, disband trireme
1816 #6, disband crusader, not quite...
1818 Fusion Power, sell research lab, 100 gp aztecs
1820 Module #1, sell university, disband settlers
1822 sell library
1824 Mod #2, disband diplomat, sell supermarket
1826 Mod #3, Launch! (1841AD), Aztecs start building structurals
1827 Armor
1828 Armor
1829 supermarket, war with mongols, cavalry dies badly against hill-fortressed armor
1830 diplomat
1831 coastal fortress
1832 fighter (kills cannon, vet)
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1841 Alpha Centari

PS: I'm starting to understand diplomacy a little better now too. I may have to change my signature soon

Edit: fixed problem with bold
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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince