1)What happens when the We Love days are cancelled?

2) What happens on those celebrations for other governments, e.g. republics?

The manual explains the effects of "we love" days.

page 73-old manual
pages 61-MGE manual

Anarchy: no effect
Despotism: city collects resources as a Monarchy
Monarchy, Fundamentalism, Communism: city collects resources as a Republic/Democracy
Republic, Democracy: city grows by 1 as long as there is a food surplus

The effects of WLT_D require 1 full turn to become effective, i.e. nothing happens until the end of the 2nd turn of the celebration. Thus, a city that celebrates for only a single turn gains no benefits.

Marcel I (and others that don't use them)
You really should. In democracy or republic, you can grow your population in real short order and make big leaps on the power graph.
Just make sure that you have neccesary improvements in place to take advantage of it. Any happiness wonders or city improvements, plus market places, banks, stock market, will all help. Just jack your luxery rate up while in Democracy or Republic, and watch yourself leapfrog over other civs. In MP games, this makes a BIG difference. Against the AI, its a good way to avoid building graneries early. It's amazing what a difference it makes!

Interesting... I always build the Pyramids first (keep in mind, against the AI only). Maybe there is some other Wonder to build first, and use WLT_D later to catch up, regardless of granaries.

then at 20% or 30% luxuries,many of your cities will celebrate allowing republic level trade.Now your caravans are worth twice as much,your research is the same if not faster than 0 luxuries+ max science and you should be collecting approx 15-20% more gold than before.

seriously,the extra growth early helps more than I used to think.It really does.Doesn't mean The Pyramids are on top of my list yet.Worth another look though.They do help with Gov. forms other than Republic and Democracy.

However, i do think that on a large map, pyramids with gardens and/or the wall is fabulous way to increase population early. However this is only necessary if you are on a huge continent, and wish to expand unmolested up to 100 plus cities, which as we all know is fun the first time and then really tedious after that.

Only arguement against this easy to win strat i can think of is that while your pumping out the 700 shields or so for these three wonders, you lose out on extra settlers, which in turn means lost cities.

But lets face it, WLTKD is a far superior strategy as it is faster and larger cities are proven to be alot better if you have enough of them, and the necessary wonders/traderoutes/infrastructure to back them up.

If not..... then i guess war cities are dangerous. I noticed in my last couple of losses, i was trying to hard to perfect my strategies, that in reality i was not doing the two things in MP that are most important.

Expansion, and troops in the field. In the continuing days of search and destroy, especially on small MP maps, you really do need to make sure you field an adequate army , and continually harass the other player. Pick off stray units , settlers, caravans, unguarded or stacked dips etc.... make him feel your presence and he shant be so quick to expand. Everyone expands quickly if left to their own devices.... but a few horses or chariots .... or even triremes with dips is enough to slow down even the best expansionist

quote: Originally posted by Steve Clark on 05-03-2000 03:08 PM Yeah, we beat the Pyramids debate to death. I think this thread clearly shows alternatives to granaries/pyramids, esp. in deity and MP games. Why people continue to insist on building pyramids is beyond me. :)

Y'all must forgive me for bringing up old topics. Although I have read much of the archives, the sheer volume of posts here means that I remain unaware of some of the old debates.

One reason for the continued popularity of early Pyramid building may be that the book _Sid Meier's Civilization II: Advanced Stategies_ by Michael Rymaszewski (Prima Publications; ISBN: 0761509178) stongly advocates doing so. I don't know how many people bought/used this book, but it was pretty influential on my personal Civ2 playing method.

Also, of course, in Civ1, the Pyramids were all powerful, allowing a switch to any form of government. That made extremely early switches to Democracy feasible, leading to ridiculous wins in 1000 B.C. or so. So, some of us who are slow to give up our old habits might just keep building Pyramids in Civ2, even though they are not as powerful as they used to be.

Next time I play, I will forgo building Pyramids, and investigate other early game Wonders.

You know, nothing in Civ2 is absolute (except perhaps getting to Monarch asap). With my limited city building strategy, I would much rather get started on building the Colossus and Sun Tzu wonders (and maybe the Great Wall if I feel like it). IMO, they are much more valuable use of the early resources before the start of building gazillion caravans ).

Now this isn't the perfect way to do it but by growing every turn for the next five or so...... you go from size three to eight in that many turns thus giving more production and science along the way which makes building troops easier.

No point going republic or demo if you dont plan on using wltkd to grow.... the penalties on production aren't worth it otherwise.

Steve..... my son is doing well but i think he is still a chieftan

as for strats..... i like collosus and Suntzu better as well however for early easy aggressive expansion for newbies.... pyramids , wall and gardens is a must have until one properly realizes the benefits of the other wonders.

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Scouse Git[1]

I guess I should be more open to try different tactics with different governments. Mostly I try to switch from Monarchy to Republic/Democracy ASAP. In Monarchy I divide my trade between Tax and Sci. I will try your approach in my next game