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Topic: New official OCC record: 1803 |  |
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Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 14, 1999 16:54
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I just finished an OCC game where I landed in 1803. I used the give-away-all-your-science tactic. Unfortunately I had some bad cases of changes in the beakers required for next tech. This cost me a couple of years and it even happened on the last turn so I had to delay launch because I didn't have Fusion Power. I hope to break the 1800 barrier soon. |
Winston
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 14, 1999 17:40
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Paul!!
Please stop setting these new OCC records will you?  No seriously, great result once again, not that I'm the least bit surprised. Congrats!  You wouldn't happen to have kept a log, would you? And did you save the game early enough for this to become another comparison game? |
Ming
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 14, 1999 19:01
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Well Paul, what can any of us say except, BEAT 1800... YOU CAN DO IT!As usual, congratulations on another fine record. You are simply amazing. Now go out and buy MP so we can kick your butt |
arii
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 14, 1999 22:16
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Go paul! Go paul! 1800 is right there!
Congrate OCC master. |
Smash
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 03:29
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I am not worthy.Way ta go!What specials? When was city founded? |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 06:05
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Wow------------------
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Scouse Git[1] "CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor |
Sieve Too
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 08:05
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Heck, I've beaten the 1903 mark quite a number of times. Nothing to it. Easy.Oh wait, you said 1803, not 1903! Excellent job as always, Paul! |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 11:11
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Unfortunately, no early save and no logs. When I started the game I didn't think I'd do that well. The city had no rivers and a bit too many non-trade squares. I later irrigated two forests to plains, but I never thought about the record until I compared the game to my 1821 log. The main difference is probably that I settled around 3500 BC compared to 2350 BC in the 1821 game. The specials in this game were whale, fish, gold and spice. |
jpk
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 11:27
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Simply amazing!------------------
If you can not think of a good reason to build something other than a caravan, build a caravan!
[This message has been edited by jpk (edited December 15, 1999).] |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 12:29
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OCC? Would that be "One City Civ"? Coupled with my post of how many cities, wow!!! Do I have a lot to learn! |
valmont
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 13:33
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Bob, you've come to the right place! [Hey, another KC boy!] Go browsing thru the old posts -- they're a gold mine. |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 13:43
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You've got that right, valmont. I can't believe how much I've learned in the week I've been perusing this site. Now I'm afraid I'll be spending more time reading posts than playing. Nah. Won't happen. U KC 2, huh? |
Sten Sture
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 15:15
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kcbob - and then you can calculate that you are spending twice as much time posting as playing! KC guys - help me out - Arthur _______'s Barbeque - can't remember and it is driving me crazy. |
Steve Clark
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 16:36
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kcbob: Not from KC (Central New York and San Diego were my old stomping grounds). My wife, though, was born and raised there and is from old line German/Irish families of KC. |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 18:32
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Hey, SS, how could you forget Arthur "Bryant's" BBQ? And do you know where it got it's reputation? In Playboy magazine a few years back, there was an article on restaurants. It began... "Not all of the great restaurants in the world are in Kansas City... only the top five." And the toppest was AB's. |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 18:34
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Hey, SS, how could you forget Arthur "Bryant's" BBQ? And do you know where it got it's reputation? In Playboy magazine a few years back, there was an article on restaurants. It began... "Not all of the great restaurants in the world are in Kansas City... only the top five." And the toppest was AB's. |
Sten Sture
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 15, 1999 19:46
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kcbob - my bad. thx! (never read the articles!)Back to Paul's tremendous result. I am surprised that you didn't have rivers. I have been thinking that I will need all rivers to even get close to 1850! Did you start trade caravans earlier? Or have a really big trading partner city? |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 16, 1999 11:17
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Trade is always an early target for me after Monarchy and Writing. I like to get those caravans going ASAP. |
War4ever
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 16, 1999 11:57
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Paul.... congrats on your spectacular performance..... can the 1800 barrier be broken before the turn of the millenium? Not by me that is for sure! |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 16, 1999 16:42
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That depends on whether you think the millennium starts in 2000 or 2001. I'll try to prevent such discussions and land this year, but I can't promise anything. |
Xin Yu
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 00:40
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I tried OCC this afternoon. Just played till 1AD to make myself comfortable with it. I played a total of about 10 games. In one of them I was pretty good. It was a large land mass, and I did not build my city till 900BC. By that time I had two allies (I could pass through their territory without any difficulty), 650 golds (300 tribute before offering peace), 12 free units (horse, archer, legion), 15 techs including mapmaking, pottery, monarchy, bridge building, trade. (I don't remember quite clearly the exact numbers, but that's about the situation). Maybe this one can beat Paul's record. |
Sonderermittler
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 03:05
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I think thatīs too late for a new record. At 900BC you should already have finished colossus and some improvements. At 1AD I use to have copernicus already. At around 500AD you city should be developed that much, that you discover each second turn. Try getting automobiles before 1000AD.
If you found your city too late you simply will run out of turns  IMHO Paul, Iīm not sure anymore,but didnīt you mention somewhere you once reached AC in the 1770īs? |
Sonderermittler
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 03:07
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HAHA!! Christmas smilies!!  |
Sonderermittler
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 03:08
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...??ŋ? |
Smash
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 03:16
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Yes he did a 1771 on a OCC "scenario" I made when I found a dream spot with 2 gold and 2 whales but it was his 5th or 6th stab at it so it wasn't an "official" record.Dam good though.One day he'll load a game with the right techs and a great spot close by and will land in.......I don't wanna think about it. |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 05:38
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As Smash already said, that was on a map that I had already played before. Knowing the map gives you a big advantage and therefore you can only set a record on a randomly created map that you have never played before. As far as Smash's map goes, I played that several more times and one time I got very lucky with huts and landed in 1565, but as I said before, that does not count as a record. |
Sonderermittler
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 08:33
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WOW ! |
Caesar the Great
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 16:56
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Great job Paul, simply amazing. I can't break 1900. Do you have any tips for people like me who find diety easy but can't do OCC that fast. My science rate is always relatively high getting discoveries quickly. I've had Fusion at about 1850 my only major problem is building my spaceship and tribute. I can have the 80 production necessary to build the 15 structurals and enough caravans to build the components but my problem comes with the modules. I never have enough money becaues the tribute never comes and I have to wait enough turns before they are completed this slows me down. I can't build my ship fast enough!! If I try to get tribute they declare war and I'm slowed even MORE. HELP ME!!! I read yr guide great job. Thx |
Smash
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 20:06
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1565?well that means a pre 1700 might be possible with the right set of circumstances.Thats kinda scary.methinks you have "held back" on a trick or two in your excellent strat guide. Or have you developed something new?
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited December 17, 1999).] |
Xin Yu
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 17, 1999 21:02
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Think about this: if you get republic, construction and trade from a hut, then you can go directly from despotism to republic, and build HG so you go up to pop 12. Then you get sanitation and grow to 21. This can be accomplished quite early if you are lucky, since the techs needed can be found in huts. |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted December 18, 1999 18:25
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Caesar, I suggest that you read some of the old threads about getting tribute. Also, there seems to be a difference in AI agressiveness between v2.42 and the MP version. This may also influence tribute/gifts.About the 1565 game, I didn't keep a log for it, but I did make a short list of important events in the game: 2850 BC Gov: Monarchy
2300 BC Colossus
?800 BC Gov: Republic
550 BC Copernicus
375 BC Shakespeare
? Democracy
1 AD Newton
360 AD Refrigeration
580 AD Darwin, Automobile
880 AD Computers
1100 AD Space Flight
1550 AD Launch
1565 AD Alpha Centauri I got Monarchy early because I got Laws from a hut, traded Burial with the Aztecs and had Alphabet as one of the starting techs. Getting such a good result does require some luck with the huts. I never build HG in OCC because I never have the time for it. With Colossus, market, temple and colosseum you can celebrate to 12 without it. |
SmartFart
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 01, 2000 20:38
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I finally managed to break 1900 (1880) with 3 whales and wino.
What are you building 1st,university or Shakes?
Do you disbanding your caravans to build SS structurals or you have it in one turn? |
Aurelius
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 01, 2000 21:11
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Hey smartfart,These guys are always stressing 80+ shields. If you don't have that shield production, it's time to terraform. Congrats on the breaking 1900. I could only do this after a third try in the four whale comparison game. What was your breakthrough strategy? Is that a comparison game--three whales and wino? Thanks, Aurelius |
SmartFart
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 01, 2000 21:27
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What do you mean by 'comparision'?
If you mean about keeping a log about it,i didn't.
I remember i had col 1950 and cop 350bc,mon 3050.
I cannot figure out how Paul managed to get wonders so early but i think i got it now.
Give away techs probably result with alot of gifts. Am gonna try that in my next game. |
Aurelius
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 01, 2000 21:52
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Hi Smartypants,There are some comparison games available on Paul's OCC guide. It's just a game that is available for anyone to try and sort of compete against one another. Finding three whales and wine is a sweet situation--maybe you should submit the game for others to play. Oh, I tried to keep a log in one of my four whales games, but it is incomplete. Maybe I'll do the tech giveaway too--though I seem to have no choice in most of my OCC games. Aurelius --the generous. |
War4ever
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 01, 2000 22:02
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Should i be building wonders right after colossus.... seems to me i try to build caravans and improvements befoe copernicus and shakes?????? i cant' break the 1900 barrier..... ------------------
They call me Mr. Fierce |
Caesar the Great
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 02, 2000 01:01
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1565... I'm speachless. I've gotten OCC in 1890. I'll try it on 2.42 to see if I can get some more cash . My 1890 was with 1 special, I wonder what I could do with 4... oh the possibilities . I'm working on a decent game right now, 1 fish, 2 Silks and 1 buffalo. I want to see if increased production can help the OCC times. Is primarly land or water better. I would generally prefer land because of the roads and the republic/demo increases in trade. But will water work better it has more trade but less production (until miniturization). I would like to know which is better. Thanks. One last thing, after meeting a tribe they have good relations for a turn, then they go uncooperative. Which is better to ask for a gift or to share maps. I need the gift to get ahead in techs but I need maps to get trade routes for more trade. Which is better? I hate this new system of cheiftans and warlords primarly because after changing my e-mail the number of all my old posts was deleted, I don't know why. Anyone else with me? I think Junior Civer, Civer and Senior Citizen, I mean Civer |
Aurelius
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 02, 2000 02:45
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AC 1901, Damn! I know I can cut off 2 years on this game. I founded the city in 2800 BC and wasn't a monarchy until after 1400 BC. Allies and huts and tribute must attend such a late founding date. Anyone want to share some good comparison games. I had Iron and Wine in the position and alot of sea with good strategic mountains. Hey, what determines if one can build hydra plants. I was surprised in this game as I didn't have a river but was able to build HP improvement. Aurelius the Environmentalist. |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 02, 2000 02:58
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Smartfart, I build Shakespeare and sewer first, then university. As Aurelius said, you need 80+ shields for your structurals. If you are going to land in the early 1800s or better you won't have time to build enough caravans for all your structurals.War4ever, after Colossus I build library, marketplace, caravans, temple, aqueduct and colosseum (harbor if necessary) before going on with Copernicus and Shakespeare. Caesar, the best is probably a mix of land and some water. And if the other civs go to uncooperative the next turn you probably use MGE? I heard that the AI is more hostile in that. In 2.42 I never have this problem, so maybe an other MGE player can give better advice on that. |
Aurelius
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 02, 2000 06:49
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Hey Paul,
Just broke 1900 with a 2 whales and a silk. Also a river nearby. You might want to try and break the 1800 barrier with the comparison game. I'll send you the position.Aurelius --AC1877! |
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