As for the final drafts, i have been thinking, and here is my two thoughts...

1. We extend the deadline to 11:59 Tuesday 7 2000, it seems that many threads have not been discussed and that only a few threads are ready to post in final draft form

2. Change the word limit to a suggested 300 words...if it takes more than that to fully explain a concept then so be it...however i am sure that it won't take 30,000 or even 3000 words to explain any of the ideas posted here...however i don't want to lose much of the sublte nuances of many of the ideas

Also

i will get an email list up for everyone who posted an idea and will mail them a reminder of whats going on

and i just want to thank everyone who has participated so far! it been great guys...i would especially like to thank my co-conspiritor in this raingoon, and i would like to thank mark and dan for having such a great site!

korn469

(I only have Internet at work anymore, so you demand worktime of me. Thank's boys )

I'll try to write something over the weekend.

not a problem

yeap the final draft goes your thread, and we will post it to the nominating thread exactly as it is written. final drafts are due 11:59 wednesday March 8, 2000...your form is fine, now work any details that need to be worked out with Imran and DaveV and everything is good to go...

I completely forgot about that ec3 thing and now that I found something in my mailbox telling me to hand in a result by wednesday I am quite in a hurry.

I am sorry I forgot. Now, if anyone is willing to do some comments in the above thread.

What time zone?

you bring up something i hadn't thought of...if the owner doesn't write a summary and somebody else wants to and that person doesn't have an idea they can go ahead and write a summary

REMINDER

today is the last day to get in the final drafts! You have to 11:59 EST on Wednesday March 8, 2000 (23:59 apolyton time). That is today...tommorrow we will ope up the voting threads

Alternatively, if somebody does not write a final draft, per se, you could simply use their original version and let the voting process weed it out -- or put it in.

2. Multiplayer Improvements (simultaneous)

3. Improved, imperialism like trade.

Perhaps for each idea that gets voted in, a 50 word summary of each idea should be included as well. Just so that we make sure they get the gist of it without the peripherals. Maybe you'll say that it's not worth it...

i am now in the process of setting up the lists

however if there are Final Drafts that i missed accidently i will add them to the list...i see that father beast just now submitted his final draft so i am going to add it now

some people who have been on the forums recently might just be a little late...so we will give them a little time to submit their final drafts...if they do not then here is the system we will use to save to post a final draft

1. if somebody specifically asks for a final draft because they want to vote for it

you and i cannot ask for these final drafts if we intend to write them

Understood. Nobody asked for the Disease Final Draft except me. I didn't write it, just re-posted it. But as a former co-manager I may be disqualified from posting for others and will stop doing so until they ask me to.

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quote: If you have played the heroes of might and magic series before, you know the importance of campaigns in term-based strategy games... I think in addition to the random game generator, Civ3 should contain at least 2 campaigns (e.g. One good campaign and one evil campaign) that depict the rise of a Civilization. Each campaign should have approximate 10 scenarioes and a connected storyline. in the beginnning of each scenarioes, players should not need to build an entire empire from scratch; some cities and military units should be given. If other term-based strategy games can have campaigns, why not civ3? Can this be an essential civ3 idea?

quote: It's true that no civ is truly good or evil. I would suggest that they use "fictional civilizations" when they make good/evil campaigns. If they depict real civilizations (english, indians, russians...etc, etc) as evil, you can bet they would lose some market in those countries. Again, campaigns are not very difficult to make. All they need is a good story and connect different scenarioes together. We have seen Firaxis's creative storyline in Alpha Centauri... It should not be difficult for them to write a few interesting and coherent stories for the campaigns. I think it would be a significant new feature if they include it in civ3. Imagine that: suppose each of the 2 campaigns comes with 10 scenarioes, we would have 20 scenarioes to play with as soon as we open the box! Everyone know (the original) civ2 didn't come with enough scenarioes... This was actually a major complain from civ2 fans. Let's make campaigns an essential civ3 feature!!

No more instant city conversions submitted late by father beast
New modes of victory added at Steve Clark's request
Religion added because the final draft was lost in a miscommunication on where to post it (sorry Stefu)
Diplomacy added by Bill's request via email

if you have any questions, comments or constructive critisms please let me know, my email address is korn469@mindless.com or you can post anything on your mind about the EC3 here

check out the idea on a comprehensive scenario editor, then check back with me and see what you think of that idea...

remember only five ideas from each list are getting included in the final EC3 list

do you think your idea is original (not already included in the voting list) and do you think your idea is essential?

seeing how the time frame to add new ideas and not final drafts was over ten days ago if i did add your idea to the list it would be a major exception and i would have to have very good reason for that

Could you please restore the last words of my final draft (viz.CHANCE EXISTS) to its proper place. Doubtless you did wipe it out by accident. Yet I think it does quite efficiently summarize part of my argument!
There is after all a chance it will be sent to Firaxis.

No hard feelings, thanking you in advance,

it was not an accident i purposely removed CHANCE EXISTS because i thought it was part of your signature which are not included in the final drafts...however since it was part of your summary i will put it back in

the thread has been closed and i cannot edit my posts...however if your idea does make it on the final list i will add CHANCE EXISTS back into your final draft

i went back and looked at the thread and the joker in the post below yours said he was joing to add CHANCE EXISTS to his signature so that confused me...i'm sorry for any inconvenience

The question is: what are we going to do with the ideas that won't qualify for the top10? I counted approximately the votes in the Fix list, and the results are quite interesting:

Trade - 67 votes
Make it Hard for Civs to Last - 48 votes
Road & rail rules - 46 votes
Scenario Editor - 45 votes
Diplomacy - 43 votes
News reports - 41 votes
No more instant City conversions - 35 votes
Amazing City View - 27 votes
... and so on

As you can see, the differences between the number of votes are very small. So, if we are going to send the top5 fixes list, Firaxis won't know that 50% of the Apolytoners have voted on "news reports", almost the same number of them for " No more instant City conversions", etc.
If we don't want to lose a lot of great ideas I say we should send a supplement of the Top10, with the rest of the proposals (and maybe with the percentage of votes they got). I know that the whole idea of "Essential CIV3" was based on the proposal to send only the top10 ideas to Firaxis, but I think because of the manner we treated the entire nomination process, there are only essential ideas in the contest!

anyone have any feedback? please tell me

there will definantly not be any weighted point system...all votes count the same

and all ideas should come in numerical order (1,2,3) for easy vote counting and not in favorite order (2,1,3)

Remember, once the final 10 have been determined, they will be posted to give everyone a chance to consider whether they represent the "Essential Civ 3" or not. YOu can vote them down if you feel it isn't worthy of being called "EC3." And if -- I believe it's a 3/5ths majority -- vote that it is, then you can be sure your opinion truly did not fairly represent the greater group of players.

Korn469, correct me if any of that is wrong and I think extending the current voting in the manner you describe is a good idea.

yes that is correct...

also the EC3 list is just as valid as any of the other lists, the process that went into making the EC3 list is a little different from the other list but so as not to overemphasize the EC3 we will also be sending some other things with it

the EC3 list will be the top 5 fixes and the top 5 New Ideas it needs a 60% majority to pass...this will be the list we bring to firaxis's attention saying the majority of civ3 fans on apolyton liked these ideas

it will have a cover letter describing the process we took to make the EC3 list and will give the general principles of the list

and there will be a referal page that comes with the EC3...it will basically be "if you liked the ideas in the EC3 here are some other ideas you might like" and it will include all of the EC3 ideas with the number of votes they got, and for each of the fixes/new ideas that makes the final EC3 list we will send the corresponding+applicable section of THE LIST to firaxis

is that an agreeable situation to everybody?

I used to think that lot of Apolytoner agree that we need some radical ideas to have a CIV 3 instead of CIV 2.5

Now I'm surprised to see that almost half of our candidate Essential of Civ 3 are, well, not so Essential

I'm not here to tell mine and ChrisShaffer idea (Simultaneous Turn of play) is better than others (Oh well, cough, cough ), but I would accept easily to be crushed by a new, freshly discovered 10-3-3 tank than by some old 1-3-1 Phalanx in new clothes

Well, just a tough before it's too late.

Adm.Naismith says:
'Now I'm surprised to see that almost half of our candidate Essential of Civ 3 are, well, not so Essential'
Remember that an essential thing does not need to be radically differant to be important. This game is already great, and just needs to be improoved a bit to do what it trys to already do more fully.
Not that I would be against a new and radically differant civ game, but am basically happy with what we have with a little work.