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Topic: Summary Volunteers Needed. HELP! :) Also, TMs, please watch this thread...
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yin26
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posted September 22, 1999 03:27
   
Well, with our deadline a week away, these are the only threads accounted for:CHEATS
COMBAT
RELIGION
TRADE
UNITS
GRAPHICS
SOCIAL ENGINEERING
SPACE EXPLOITATION
DIPLOMACY (...if I missed somebody--again--please let me know...) Please express below your interest in summarizing one or more of the other threads. Of course, you should first look through that thread for any sign of the TM. Shoot off a quick e-mail, but then start your summary if you can't find the TM around anywhere. Start by looking at version 1 of the list to see what the format of the summary should look like. Here's a sample. Also, it is VITAL that you don't cut out ideas you don't like. That's not a summary if you do that, and people will rightly scream later on if their ideas get cut. Anyway, as a first step, please express your interest below, indicating what thread you'd like to tackle. I will NOT be assigning you a thread, since you should find something interesting to you or it will be a nightmare putting in all the time it takes to do a good summary. Once the summary is done, please send it to me for a quick look. ALSO post it for everyone else to see. The Civ 3 "About the List" forum is reserved for that purpose. That way we can all see what's going on and give our collective O.K. Some of you guys have already said you are willing to help...God bless you! Sign up and save the day. Save Civ3!!!  Yin
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smilo
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posted September 22, 1999 05:17
I'll get you the SPACE EXPLOITATION summary by the beginning of next week. |
yin26
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posted September 22, 1999 05:22
Smilo,Thanks for the note. I've updated my first post... |
Harel
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posted September 22, 1999 06:49
Hey Smilo. It's always better for the original owner to right the thread: he is much more famalair with the suggested ideas. Welcome back!Yin, found a new target which is lacking: Diplomacy. Hey, i wrote about 90% of the ideas there myself Going to e-mail jele, and if i won't get a yelling e-mail by friday i am going for it. Good luck for all the helpers! |
Jeje2
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posted September 23, 1999 01:46
YinFirst, I am very sorry for not responding sooner to your call. (My current work leaves me almost no own time.) Harel sent me yesterday a very polite and good Email about DIPLOMACY-summary. (Or in fact about the missing summary  )
Harel also have volunteered to do the summary. The list is important, please let Harel do the DIPLOMACY-summary. (I do not have time)
Jeje
P.S. Yin THX, it was fun to be part of this project for a while.
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yin26
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posted September 23, 1999 02:32
Jeje,Best of luck with your work. I'm sure to see you again here once Civ 3 is released. Well, Harel, your stock is rising. Thanks. Yin |
Harel
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posted September 24, 1999 13:22
Yin, just call me dow-jones I am working on the summary, and hope to finish it as soon as I can... I will post a preliminery one later this night, so people could respond and correct me at need. |
raingoon
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posted September 24, 1999 19:23
Korn469 sent me an e-mail reply saying he can't get to the computer in his dorm room long enough to do the summary for the Radical Ideas thread. So unless someone else is doing it -- I'm it. I'll get it posted and sent in by end of Monday. |
Harel
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posted September 27, 1999 17:32
Well, Diplomacy over and there doesn't seem ot be any hostile critism.
So, it's finished.NEXT SUMMARY! No, really. Just select one and aim me, i can manage to pull one more till the end of the week ( two short ones? ) |
yin26
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posted September 27, 1999 20:19
Raingoon and Harel:You guys are great! Raingoon, I already sent you an e-mail about the deadline. Harel, I really don't want to pick one for you because it should be something you like. Please choose--the two short ones idea sounds wonderful. Again, to the TMs and people going beyond the call of duty: THANK YOU!!! |
Jeje2
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posted September 28, 1999 09:10
Harel:
Very fast and good working, THX!
Now DIPLOMACY, will be included in this version.THX: Jeje2
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Stefu
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posted September 28, 1999 10:13
raingoon: I posted you a request about doing the final work (ie combining the compreheinsive model and deleting the overlapping ideas) in summarizing the Religion thread, and answering it would be nice. |
Harel
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posted September 28, 1999 12:57
Double double?
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Harel
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posted September 28, 1999 12:57
Double
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Harel
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posted September 28, 1999 13:05
Oh well, the stocks are blooming anyway, i might just as well break the exchange.Space thread is now under my summarizing power... give me a few days? ------------------
"The most hopelessly stupid man is he who is not aware he is wise" Preem Palver, First speaker, "Second Foundation", Isaac Asimov |
Theben
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posted September 30, 1999 11:47
See below...
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Theben
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posted September 30, 1999 19:52
I forgot to mention, please, if you have completed a summary, post it in the thread AND in the "Summaries of/about..." so people can see what you have and if they wish to argue about how their idea was presented.
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yin26
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posted October 01, 1999 12:57
Theben,You just won the Honorary Moderator award! Seriously, thanks go to Theben who took the initiative to outline the entire picture for us. PLEASE look at the summary and jump on the needed threads. If people note their interest in doing a summary, I'll hold off on sending the list. Considering this might well be our last list, the more summaries the bettter. Thanks again, Theben... |
Theben
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posted October 01, 1999 03:34
Above list modified after don Don's summary of MOVEMENT, SUPPLY, ETC. Check it out!yin,
No sweat. Sure is easier than being a Threadmaster. |
Harel
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posted October 02, 1999 09:09
DELAYS! Unfourtanly, due to events beyond my control, i didn't manage to finish the space thread at due time. I intended to finish it this saturday, but I can see now that I won't.I hope to have it done by Monday, the fourth. Hope that will be satisfactory. ------------------
"The most hopelessly stupid man is he who is not aware he is wise" Preem Palver, First speaker, "Second Foundation", Isaac Asimov |
yin26
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posted October 02, 1999 09:13
Harel and Everyone:I don't plan to send this list for at least another week, since work is still being done and since I hope others might help out. So try to recruit some people or jump on some of those remaining threads. It would be great if we could send the whole list! Yin |
raingoon
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posted October 02, 1999 16:14
Radical Ideas summary coming soon. How soon? Well, let's just say we're not looking for beta testers yet, but thanks to Yin's endless supply of rope, it'll be in "on time..." |
Theben
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posted October 04, 1999 22:04
List once again updated since Raingoon has posted the Radical Ideas. Be sure to read them, they're definitely radical! |
SnowFire
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posted October 06, 1999 21:54
Mine will be up this weekend. It's only 10 or so posts that need to be added. |
Bell
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posted October 09, 1999 12:35
GAAAK!Well, I just got a new machine, and when I went to recover all the files from my old machine, I discovered that the CD I backed everything up on is a coaster! That includes the work I had done on the SE/G summary. That's the least of my problems, though, since it also contained about 3 weeks of code and other files that I need to resurrect by, oh, Wednesday. So, I'm not going to be able to do the summary any time in the near future. Sorry folks . . . I really am, but there's this whole job/employment thing that I have to take care of first . . . I know, I know, where's my priorities. But anyways, somebody else is going to have to do it . . . Sorry... |
M@ni@c
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posted October 09, 1999 11:27
Actually I was already expecting a message like that for over a month. |
Bell
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posted October 09, 1999 14:40
Actually I was already expecting a message like that for over a month.Well, would you let me know next time? It would save me a lot of trouble . . . |
Harel
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posted October 09, 1999 18:13
Oh dear... First off, my apologies for Smilo. He asked me to do the summary and I, foolishly, said:
"Sure! I would LOVE too! It's only the third thread I am making!"
Sigh... Lot's of happened. My comp is crushing back and forth. I need to format it, but I am getting a new comp this week so I don't bother. Last week my CO was replaced, and you can imagine how much nonsense I had to deal with...
And now for Bell comment. This really depress me, because I think the SE thread got the most attention in the last few months, and it's probaly the most improved-upon thread since the first list. We all the model suggested ( five complete one, I think... me, maniac, theben... the joker... and someone else too ). That's a huge job, and no one would dare come close to it. No, don't look at me. I summarize fast, but not THAT fast. The SE thread would mean taking another week off, and I am not going to spend my next leave like this.Maniac, I invite you to take the towel. Instead of critizing Bell ( who deserve a lot of credit just for trying to do that summary: think, it's 250 HUGE posts, try to do it yourself. You know what's going there just as well as me... |
M@ni@c
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posted October 09, 1999 18:32
Technocrat is the fifth.
And Bell had said a few times, I think, that he had some problems with his job, so of course I had my doubts about if the summary would get completed. Certainly because he already begun around 25 september.
And actually, two weeks ago, I was thinking about doing the SE summary, but then Bell said again he would do it. Now it's a little late to start it. I won't even have time to summarize my own contributions. Or at least not before List v2.0. |
yin26
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posted October 09, 1999 18:47
Well, my job is going to demand a few overnighters from me next week, which means I won't be able to send the list until the end of October. THAT, however, will be the deadline no matter what, so if that gives you enough time, we'd all be very thankful. |
Technocrat
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posted October 09, 1999 21:16
I would love to be the one to summarize it, but I don't have the time (college apps, major research projects, etc.), and anyway, over at the Firaxis boards, three of us (CormacMacArt, the Joker, and myself) have posted highly developed "version 2" SE proposals that would resist summarizing due to the integrated nature of our respective ideas. I think that ideally, Firaxis would take the time to examine each SE proposal individually & without a summation in order to really understand some of our more advanced ideas, as well as some of our problems (city-states spring to mind). I'm sure I don't speak for only myself when I say that it would really be best for Firaxis to look at the SE posts themselves rather than a simplified summary, but for some reason I doubt that that would happen...  Technocrat |
Theben
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posted October 10, 1999 12:50
Well, I have downloaded all the threads unaccounted for, not including SPACE EXPLOITATION and TECHNOLOGY, and only my part of SE/GOVT as well as the last bits of PLAYER INTERFACE, which I'm betting I can scatter among other List threads. I also have separated the pre-ver. 1.2 posts of COMBAT and plan to give them my attention.That said, ANYONE who feels that they can summarize one or more of these threads, I'll e-mail my .doc to you. I highly doubt I can do them all myself, but if no one steps forward I'll try. 2 things though: One, whoever does a summary will put their bias in it, even if unintentional. That means if I do them it's MY bias going into the thread; even though I don't plan to I'm sure it'll happen. Two, BR and Firaxis aren't going to wait for us. The sooner it gets done the better for everyone. You can complain...or you can DO SOMETHING. Nuff said. |
Theben
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posted October 10, 1999 12:53
As for the SE/GOVT thread, my proposal is this: everyone summarize all their ideas only. Then someone can just send them all to BR as a collection of SE summaries, with the comment of "we had several different proposals for SE ideas" or some such. |
yin26
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posted October 10, 1999 02:31
Theben,If people are still around and want to do that, good idea. That said, I will support you and the other people doing summaries 100%! If there are biases, hell, at least it got sent. NO COMPLAINING! |
Technocrat
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posted October 10, 1999 03:02
Why not just simply send the SE proposals themselves as, in light of the fact that there are only (maybe, about) seven or so, they really aren't all that long (except maybe mine  ). The proposals at Firaxis are rather self-contained and can be taken outside the context of the "conversation," and I'm sure the ones here are as well. When given just the final product (i.e., the different proposals) and not the ambient noise (i.e., the debates, discussions, etc.), I'm sure that Firaxis could digest the SE ideas. Am I totally off base here?Technocrat |
Theben
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posted October 20, 1999 16:20
Updated with the MISCELLANEOUS summary. |
Theben
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posted October 24, 1999 15:04
The current situation:Threads We Have:
CHEATS
COMBAT
UNITS
DIPLOMACY
ECON/TRADE
WONDERS
TERRAIN/TI'S
GRAPHICS
MOVEMENT, SUPPLY, ETC.
RADICAL IDEAS
MISCELLANEOUS
REGIONAL/CITY MENU IDEAS
TECHNOLOGY
CITY IMPROVEMENTS
CIVILIZATIONS Threads We Don't Need:
MULTIPLAYER
THE MANUAL/HELP FILES
SCENARIO/MAP EDITOR
GAME ATMOSPHERE
PLAYER INTERFACE
BORDERS
CUSTOMIZATION
AI Threads We Are Still Waiting For:
SOCIAL ENGINEERING/GOVERNMENT-None
SPACE EXPLOITATION-None
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Theben
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posted October 27, 1999 11:39
TECHNOLOGY is in, and SPACE EXPLOITATION is available for anyone who wants to tackle it. I have no interest in summmarizing that thread, personally.
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technophile
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posted October 28, 1999 23:57
CHREEEE-IST this physics is hard. But, a week later, I am done, and this stuff is going to be summarized. Tonight. Period. |
M@ni@c
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posted October 29, 1999 13:38
Where can I read the Tech summary? Not in the The List forum. |
Theben
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posted October 29, 1999 14:42
Thanks for the updates TechyPhil! Now all we need are Space E and the SE/Govt collaboration (plus leftover Combat & Other, but that's my problem, arrrgh). |
yin26
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posted October 30, 1999 12:14
What can I say? You guys are AMAZING! Just when I thought we'd send about half a dozen summaries, you guys step up and look at this--everything we hoped would be summarized is dangerously close to being summaried!!!Well, I look forward to the last few summaries coming. PLEASE send me an e-mail so I don't miss anything, since this is pretty hectic at this point. Let's finish THIS WEEKEND...then I'll send a nice, shiny (400+ page?) document to Markos on Monday. Yin |
yin26
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posted October 30, 1999 12:14
What can I say? You guys are AMAZING! Just when I thought we'd send about half a dozen summaries, you guys step up and look at this--everything we hoped would be summarized is dangerously close to being summaried!!!Well, I look forward to the last few summaries coming. PLEASE send me an e-mail so I don't miss anything, since this is pretty hectic at this point. Let's finish THIS WEEKEND...then I'll send a nice, shiny (300+ page?) document to Markos on Monday. Yin |
M@ni@c
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posted October 30, 1999 09:43
Oh yes. Thank you, Yin. Thank you! Something came between *again* last night and I couldn't work on my summary.
Hope I can finish it now.
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M@ni@c
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posted October 30, 1999 09:52
Do I have to spell-check with American or British English? And certain words are always wrong, like the abbrevations 'civ' or 'tech'. What to do with them?
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yin26
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posted October 30, 1999 11:27
M@ni@c,Don't worry about the abbreviations, since everybody uses those. As for the spelling variant, either is fine. Heck, I'll just be happy you spell-checked using ANY variant! Hope to get the e-mail soon, Yin |
M@ni@c
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posted October 30, 1999 11:47
I'm taking a break now and I wonder something. Which font do I have to use? Currently I'm using Times New Roman - 12.
Ok? |
M@ni@c
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posted October 30, 1999 17:50
Summary's in. |
M@ni@c
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posted October 31, 1999 10:00
Yin, when you erase point 4, don't forget to erase it too in the index at the beginning. |
yin26
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posted October 31, 1999 19:23
M@ni@c,Thanks for the reminder... | |
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