posted August 12, 1999 17:44            

I have some iimportant questions too

are you one body with two heads (a yin head and a shining head)?

or are you a duality like God is a trinity?

if this last is not the case what are you?

posted August 12, 1999 21:33            

I obviously share your concerns. One of the reasons the last list was delayed so long was that some people just bailed w/o saying anything. So I begged and some others really stepped up and helped.

I'm basically judging from the "END OF AUGUST DEADLINE" thread I posted. But looking at that, I can see some real trouble. As it happens, I simply won't have time to do summaries thanks to a nasty project at work, so we have some options:

1) Just send what we do have and let the other threads go until version 3, by which time we can hopefully find new TMs.

2) Beg people to do some summaries and send whatever we can get done.

Anyway, your stuff will definitely be sent, even if other threads have to wait for version 3. What do you think?

Jon,

Right now I'm one guy with one very hung over head. I don't know if you've ever had Korean soju, but it's 25%. Not too bad, I guess, but when you drink it like water, you pretty much send yourself to hell...

The Shining part of YinShining is a friend of mine who helped out a lot behind the scenes for version 1. And realizing I tried to do too much on my own last time (and the quality of the list went down a bit because of that), I wanted to get more people involved in a significant way this time.

posted August 14, 1999 04:52            

I'm not sure you fully understand the hell you just signed up for, but I love you for it!

Seriously, though, writing these summaries takes a significant amount of time, but it's a labor of love. If you really are up for it, I'm more than sure I'll need your help. Of course, you'll be given credit in the list right along with the other TMs who didn't bail.

Big help. We all thank you.

posted August 15, 1999 21:18            

The idea is that I will take the names off the "August Deadline" thread and start with those: ONLY those guys will be able to post a new thread in this forum, but anybody can reply.

Then, for the "Summary/About" forum, only those guys can post summaries and nobody can reply. That forum will be used for keeping the summaries separate and updated in a "clean" way. Also, if we get good at that, sending a list will be easy because we can just take the summaries and put them together. Of course, the summaries will need to be in the correct format, like our first version.

Any questions or better ideas? Let me know...

posted August 20, 1999 12:06            

Some of the guys who have been around a while, like Snowfire, look at Civ3's development to this point and feel that a version 3 might be a case of diminishing returns. It does, after all, take a lot of work to put these lists together.

I'm very curious what the reaction from Firaxis will be after we send list 2. I'll do my absolute best to get some feedback from them regarding whether or not they'd like another list and, if so, in what areas we should focus.

posted August 25, 1999 13:05            

If you could do your compilation that way the chapters would only need to have text and simple formatting. Pagination, indexing, headers, footers etc are controlled in the master. Graphics like the globes could be done in separate title page files, too (plus header/footer control if MS Word master doc doesn't control). My backup word processor WordPerfect Suite 8 (came on computer) can't handle those graphics and some of the other things MS Word does, despite "import" feature. (Hah!) Those of us who don't have (and can't stand) MS Word could then access individual chapter files with WordPad for easier reading.

posted August 26, 1999 13:12            

How will the summary look like? A part containing the ideas of Theben and Jon Miller and than a section called Quotes containing Harel's and my ideas?

posted August 27, 1999 11:28            

But there is a religion model and I'm willing to send it to Yin's hotmail, but that doesn't really count as an official model because, although most of the ideas of the List v1.0 are in the model, there are some others not. So it's not a complete summary. Will and Harel (wants a SE Religion category) don't agree with it.
If I just do an addendum to the official religion model, saying that some people still want religion SE etc, is it all right?

posted August 29, 1999 05:17            

Fortunately, I've got a week or two of holidays starting from tommorrow, so I should be around the forums to see what turns up.

Brian wants list version2 to be a work in progress rather than a seperate entity, so it will probably take some work to sort out the new ideas from the old. Anything the Thread masters do to help with this (especially the established threadmasters from the original list) will be extremely useful.

Personally, my view is that there should be a list version3.0, but that it should be a more long term affair, over say the next 6 months. If we can get around to convincing gamespot or a similar zine to give us a plug, this may help.

posted September 03, 1999 17:25            

This is just plain wrong! It will kill the great movement we have here. When we finished the first list, it was just a week before Yin told us to start originizing for the second list. It kept things moving. Every time there is no "dead-line" in the forums, people don't post at all.
The difference is between 5 posts an hour, to 5 posts a day, at best. I know, since I try to check apolyton several times a day.

When I am summarizing, like right now, I am booming with new ideas. I haven't posted anything new in my economy thread for weeks, but when I started doing the summary I had a dozen new improvements to people ideas and new suggestions.

My point is, that I think that when we do finish this list, we should jump right up and go for the third. With the new forums that will keep the summarizes all nice and spiffy, we could really push things forward. And people just keeping joining in the forums, brining new blood.

Therefor, I think a fine date for the third list would be the start of the new millenium , three months from now. My guess is, this is the time that Firaxis will start moving forward with the civ III project, creating a new web-page and starting to publish it's ideas and info.

posted September 04, 1999 14:50            

Many of the early suggestions should fit better into other threads. Should I post them in these threads? Should I include them in my summary?

Thank you in advance.

posted September 04, 1999 19:59            

You might have seen that some threads have lost a TM, so I'd hate to lose ideas in your thread. If you can, please just summarize what you have and then we can hopefully organize a bit better for a version three, assuming people want to do one.

Thanks for all the time you're putting into this.