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Dear TMs:

After finishing version 1, we set the end of August as a preliminary deadline for thread summaries. Please post here to let me know if that will be possible for you.

What is required? Well, I learned the hard way from our first version that unless I get files from you in a standardized format, my life becomes very ugly for a few days. So, please refer to the previous list for the numbering system you should use.

Also, Brian noted that he'd like to see expanded coverage of the ideas in our first list. This, where possible, should also be included in your summaries.

Again, please post below just to let me know that you can send us your summary by the end of this month (I'll also use the posts to guage who should be given exclusive rights to post new topics in this forum, so please sign-in). Thanks!

Yin

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posted August 10, 1999 03:37            

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Hi all

I know I am not a TM but please remember the threads that were before the deadline but got looked over (like a old combat thread where I posted and was told would be included in the next list)

there are probably other occurances like this and I would just like to remind everybody

keep up the good work (I do not envy you)

thanks
Jon Miller

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posted August 10, 1999 11:04            

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Theben checking in...

Jon Miller thanks for making that comment. I do plan to go back to all the old COMBAT threads except those covered by Victor Galis's summary.

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posted August 10, 1999 16:57            

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Ding dong.

End of august is fine for me.

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posted August 11, 1999 12:30            

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All right!

A hint for TMs:

Summarize the thread as soon as you get time, and update the summary continuously. If you do it in a smart way, you can in fact decrease the work needed, because frequent summaries will give you and the posters a good overview of the ideas.

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posted August 12, 1999 15:59            

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Checking in- but nobody seems very interested in either Customization or AI, though the AI thread got some talk in the general area.

I'm not sure what to do- I think these are the 2 most important things to consider, but nobody seems interested in saying much.

-mindlace

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posted August 13, 1999 08:24            

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( Peace offering to the mighty hybrid )

Me and Don Don will be ready for the end of August.

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posted August 14, 1999 01:06            

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(sweating profusely under the glare of the lights; his hands forced to the keyboard by two Mossad agents)

Uh, yes, of course Harel is right. We'll be ready. I don't have that much else to do.

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posted August 14, 1999 09:41            

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What do you mean two?
I explictly asked for atleast four!

Now where did I put that red phone...

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posted August 16, 1999 07:04            

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Checking in, for the Wonders and Terrain threads. Bloody hell, that Terrain thread is hard work... I've gotten as far as Gordon the Whale's dissertation, and I've got about thirty more posts to summarize... once that's done, I should be able to keep on top of things and finish by the end of August.

Hang on, I've just received a letter from the Mossad... er, I'm not entirely sure what it says because the grammar and spelling are so atrocious, but the tone is fairly threatening... maybe it'll make more sense if I read it from right to left...

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posted August 16, 1999 11:38            

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Why EnochF! What a carefully written post. Bloody hell, it's almost as good as your idea to put laywes in a sub!

BTW EnochF. The Mossed never bothers to sound dangerous. When they want to threat someone, they just kill him.

Harel
Still looking for the red phone, but now for an entirely different reason...

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posted August 17, 1999 13:59            

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The two companains walked briskly along the road. It was thier habit for ten years now, and they were not ready to give it up just yet. The alien surrounding didn't intimidate them. In fact, it was quite a charming scene. The sky had a deep, clear blue tone. The streets were extreamly clean, spotless. The people, all of them, charming in every way. In every turn, a smile, a short node of reconigization.
A lovely town, in all opinions.
"I am so glad they decided to hold the conferance in Apolyton. It's such a charming city, isn't it?" said one of the two friends.
"Quite so."

A few minutes later, their strole lead them into a small square in the middle of the boulvard.
The towering statue of Apolyton stood above them, on a large pedestal of clean, white marble. The dead philoshoper eyes, almsot life-like, watched over the small town with caring looks and vast knowladge.
A small bird positioned itself on the top of his head and started with a most beautifal chearing.
The small golden plaque on the pedestal read: "Contributed to Apolyton by Yin, a benefactor of the city".
"Such a powerful statue, full of prowress." said the first traveler, while gazing up, up to meet the eyes of the dead thinker.
"Indeed. How is the conferance going?"
"It's... intersting. I am learning quite a lot. Ofcourse, you know those international meetings..."
The other person nodded in agreement.
"...You always need to worry, to make sure the other side completly understand you. We all use english, yes, but the difference in cultures!"
"I KNOW! I was just having the most delightful meeting on those new polymers they want to use in the new shuttles. They one they want us to finance, you know?"
the second nodded in approvel, arguing his friend to go on.
"I was just trying to explain it to this demantic fool for accounting. That swine just happenes to be from from abroad, so he couldn't understand one thing I said! Try to explain scientifical elements to complete idiots."
The both sighed. A small pair of seats offered relief: they gladly accepted it. As time passes, they looked around the small miditerrianian city. The walls were painted in bright, alive colors. The entire city seemed to explode with power, and zeal. The town itself was small, only three thousand people. But the highly anticipted annual international meeting of Global-FiraYin seemed to fill the town with happiness, a feeling that something is going to happen.
A loud bark startled the two. A small terrier dog position himself just below the stool, barking like mad on the two.
A look of puzzlement on thier faces, thye shot a glance to each other.
They got up quickly. Maybe they sat on something?
But no. They small dog chased them, and start circling in tight circles.
"What is it that he wants?"
The other shrugged. He crouched, shot a quick hand to the dog colar.
"Well, atleast he belong to someone. Now, let's look what's the puppy name..."
the dog struggled against the grip, trying to get free.
"It's... EnochF... Odd name. Greek?" he asked the other.
"I really don't know. What IS IT that he wants?"
"I don't think he know either".
The dog, full of fear for the grip, bite his capture. Startled, he pulled off his hand. The dog pulled free, but still orbited them like a moon, barking like mad.
"Harel, are you injuried?"
"No, no. I am fine. Just got a bit startled. He's teeth seems to bit totaly rotten. He gnawed me a bit, that's all."
"Seems to be too young to have rotty teeth. He acts like a young pulp: but I never could tell the age of those terriers. Too small.
Oh confine that demon. Harel, I am going to kick him... what?"
For the last minute, the dog relived himself on the shoes of the two friends. The small, brownish orbs glistened against the morning sun.
"Now, now. Don't get mad."
But, Harel, my shoes!"
"It's just nature ways. That's what dogs do, the mark thier area."
He looked at his shoes.
"My new ones. Damn!" A look of anger clouded his eyes for a brief moment. But after a second, the look of happiness and acceptness returned.
"But look!" said the other. "The dog caputrer is heading our way!"
And indeed, a tall man in a blue, offical uniform hurried toward them.
The small terrier let out a yelp and dashed away, the offical after him.
"comeon, let's go!" said Harel to his friend, that stood by still looking at the new offsprings of the dog.
"Odd, isn't it?"
"What is?"
"That". He pointed at the remains.
"It doesn't fit, don't you see?"
"I don't quite follow you" replied Harel.
"To this! This!" he swept up his arm, embarcing the entire town.
"Filth? Here? In Apolyton? It's all so clean and friendly here... it' just seems wrong".
Harel didn't replay. He just stood there, with his friend, transfixed by the brown balls.
Then, he raised his head, and smiled. He grabed his friend shoulders and pointed at the end of the steert.
For another officer in blue farbic with allready near, pushing a large cart with a big garbage can and a broom.
"You see? Do you see?" cried Harel in happiness. "Apolyton always stay clean in the end!"
Glad, the two friends started walking again, going to meet the cleaning man.

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posted August 17, 1999 17:49            

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Definitely off topic. So was mine, but mine was short.

Still, I got a nice signature out of the deal:

"Harel didn't replay. He just stood there, with his friend, transfixed by the brown balls."

Anyway.

Twenty-five more posts to summarize on Terrain before Version 2.0, almost there...

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posted August 18, 1999 22:31            

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technophile here, Units summary will be done on time. Remind me to never volunteer for anything ever again.

"Providence is always on the side of the big battallions."
-Sevigne

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posted August 19, 1999 16:38            

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Theben, I know it's off-topic, but I just love to snipe at the under developed one.

As for EnochF: Yes, I should have known that part will interst you the most. Line of work, eh?

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posted August 30, 1999 19:47            

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Hey Big Yin:

Combat has fallen victim to the information age, as Theben's computer has fritzed up on him. I'm still putting the finishing touches on Units, but if nobody's taken up the slack in Combat by the time I've finished I'll go ahead and pick up where Theben left off.

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posted August 31, 1999 01:20            

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techno:

I've alread sent the e-mail. And a dozen roses.

Yin

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posted August 31, 1999 22:22            

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Yin,

COMBAT summary should be done and posted by 1:00 A.M on September 3rd at latest. Anybody out there remember Differential Equations well enough to help me with my homework?

By the way, can you lock down the Units v2.0 thread as well as the Units v2.0 Summary on the Summary/About the List forum?
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posted September 01, 1999 12:47            

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Hi all

I took Dif Eq last semester

got an A, I don't like doing homework though

nice to see fellow physics students

Jon Miller

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posted September 01, 1999 01:36            

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Hi all again

I have an idea

we should point out the good ideas in smac and the civ2 (and ctp) and the bad ideas in those games so that firaxis knows what to work on

so how about it

Jon Miller

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posted September 01, 1999 02:20            

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Jon,

If you help techno with his homework, we'll let you work like a slave for no pay and start that thread.

Actually, it might be helpful to approach it from your angle, but it will take time to work it through, certainly not a list 2.0 but maybe a 2.5 or 3.0 thing. And it would also be easier to keep things clear: A "good things" "bad things" split would help a great deal instead of mashing them all together.

Well, what do you TMs think? Jon, watch this space for a day or two to see what people think. Of course, you could always start on the general forum and transfer it here later if it takes off...

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posted September 01, 1999 10:27            

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Jon:

That sounds like a good idea for a thread. Out of the three games you've mentioned I've only played SMAC, but with that game alone you could fill a novel (or at least I could, although most people would settle for a few pages) with a "good idea, bad idea" list. And that's not counting C:CTP, which from the horror stories I've heard could fill an entire novel with the "bad idea" list alone.

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Urm. Umm... the customization thread got like 16 posts, almost 10 of which were mine, and the AI thread got about 4 new posts since last time around.

Do you want a writeup of that?

~mindlace

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posted September 02, 1999 12:02            

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Mindlace,

You can't squeeze water out of a rock...unless it's a really wet rock, I guess.

If there's nothing to add, don't worry. Maybe we could use your expert abilities on one of the other threads?

Yin

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posted September 02, 1999 02:21            

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My Resources/Support segment of Econ/Trade is still a work in progress… Movement/Supply is on hold until that is done.

Caffeine! My kingdom for caffeine!

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posted September 03, 1999 03:36            

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EnochF and Techno:

I feel your pain. When I decided to revamp the entire version 1 list (for the 3rd time), I looked at the 180+ page count and thought: "What the hell am I doing? This is sick. Just send it already." But I couldn't. I just couldn't. I ignored my wife and baby for a few days, sleeping just a few hours, and generally became an ass at work (more than usual) and a ghost at home (more than usual, but my wife is used to that when a new game I want comes out).

I guess it's a sickness. But let me just say: Thanks. Get it to me and Shiny as soon as you are ready...by the way, if you are sleeping now or in any way preparing for a test, I would ask you to please rethink your priorities.
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posted September 06, 1999 01:28            

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AHHHHHH!

I finished that stupid Combat summary, and now I can't post it! You don't know how hard I have to control myself in order to not put my fist through my computer screen.

Anyway, I'm sending you the goods, Yin. Hope you get them, otherwise they'll go up on the forum tomorrow.

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posted September 06, 1999 01:43            

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techno:

My friend punched his computer screen once (he was working on a difficult math problem and couldn't get the answer to work). I came into the room with him huddled over a broken monitor. Crying.

It was one of the saddest displays in human history. Not only that, it reminded me of all the times I punched my computer screen but managed to catch it before it fell.

Of course, I wasn't solving a complicated math problem. I was trying, no doubt, to beat a computer game. Anyway, don't punch monitors. Punch things that don't matter--like the floor and small rodents...

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posted September 06, 1999 18:01            

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It's up! Combat summary has been posted! Finally!

I'll be leaving the combat summary exactly where it is (the end of Combat 2.0), and will be going back to edit instead of reposting the entire thing every time I make a small revision. After a few days I'll start a new topic (combat 3.0 hosted by Theben) and will have the "final" summary be its first post. At that time I will also put Combat on the Summaries thread.

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posted September 06, 1999 18:02            

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Hey Don don:

Do you want me to start on a summary for Movement + Supply?

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