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posted August 09, 1999 20:11                

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While I agree with your opinion... My job is to point out these things to the designers.

It is their job to determine if it fits into the game. I hope some didn't realize what an advantage this can be, and decide not to do it in the next version.

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posted August 18, 1999 16:41                

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Ming,

Regarding MP cheating: I think it's a case where you can never stop someone with enough time and talent from hacking the game, but it should be relatively easy to make it a lot more difficult.

How about this: allow each player to turn on a "mirror save" button. Each time the host saves the game (including autosave), the save file gets sent down the pipe to each of the other players who want it. Then they can compare files when the game starts back up (maybe need a "verify save file" option here). If the host's connection mysteriously drops out, you go back to the last autosave. If you are really paranoid, it would be nice to have an option that saved every autosave file as a unique name. Then you could back and do a post mortem if you think you got hosed.

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posted August 18, 1999 16:46                

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Ming,

Regarding MP cheating: I think it's a case where you can never stop someone with enough time and talent from hacking the game, but it should be relatively easy to make it a lot more difficult.

How about this: allow each player to turn on a "mirror save" button. Each time the host saves the game (including autosave), the save file gets sent down the pipe to each of the other players who want it. Then they can compare files when the game starts back up (maybe need a "verify save file" option here). If the host's connection mysteriously drops out, you go back to the last autosave. If you are really paranoid, it would be nice to have an option that saved every autosave file as a unique name. Then you could go back and do a post mortem if you think you got hosed.

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posted August 19, 1999 22:08                

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I agree.. some of the suggestions to stop it are good ones. And again, any that we can point out will give the designers a chance to think about them.

But nobody can stop the slick cheating programs. I would settle for a way to know that cheating is occuring.

Keep those suggestions going. Again, my next (and who knows, maybe last) summary is due at the end of the month.
Lets try to use these last few days to expand on any other ways to catch/stop cheating.

Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread. I've learned a lot, and I hope the designers do to.
Now, let's finish the job.

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posted August 22, 1999 15:07                

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A very good thread i discovered many things that i didnt know before. I have a few things that i would like to bring up. First the spy trick, if u are playing a multiplayer game, and at the time u are almost done with the United Nations, then a spy shows up and destroies it. But there is a way to prevent this, just go inside the city when u see the spy, let him destroy ur work, then change what to build back to united nations, whoops, now u have as many sheilds as before. This problem is a minor bug but can be very good one in the begining of the game when a diplomat does this. This includes whatever improvemnt unit u are building at the time. Of course this cheat ocurrs thanx to lag problems. Another anyoning thing is when u try to bribe a unit and the other player goes in to the units homecity and disband it. U will lose your unit and money on this. Many cheats or so called cheats during bad lag, can easily be removed. Let all the players send their moves to the host after their turn, then u will get rid of these dirty tricks and the lag!! I dont know if this is a relevant issue when making civ3, and i havent seen anyone saying anything about this before, if so u have to excuse me for not taking notice.

-Bergman-

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posted October 03, 1999 10:30                

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I haven't been checking this thread for a while and I don't have the time to catch up, so I'm sorry if this is old news.

Belongs to free info I guess.

When an enemy caravelle and the unit it carries are put to sleep, clicking on it reveals which unit it is carrying.

Don't know how general this is (valid for all types of transports, if it works with more than one unit on the ship, if it matters if it's a non-sleeping transport and/or unit etc).

What's happening here now? The lists have been sent in, but is it over now?

Carolus

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posted October 04, 1999 07:14                

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Theben, it was with the patched MGE (UK version). The caravelle was put to sleep and you could see it was carrying something (or was in a stack).

When I clicked on it, I saw the picture of a sleeping marine in the window where unit info normally is (to the right of the map). As I said, don't know if it "worked" only because both units were sleeping, but that's what I saw. Don't know if it's actually a marine on the ship.

Carolus

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posted October 04, 1999 07:17                

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The caravelle was put to sleep in an ocean square, not in a city.

Carolus

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posted October 04, 1999 16:26                

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Yep, it's a MP game! We are allies too.

Don't remember if it was a left or a right click. I'll check it up and get back to you.

Carolus

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posted October 05, 1999 08:05                

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Gee... I hadn't checked this thread in a week thinking that it had died

Keep those cheats coming folks. I don't know if there ever will be a list three, but it's still important that people know all the cheats.

Thanks for all of your help. I couldn't have done it without you.

Keep on Civin'

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posted October 11, 1999 11:00                

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Strange.

It only worked with that specific caravel. There was another one at sleep right next to it and clicking on it didn't reveal a thing.

Don't know if it actually was carrying anything or only was stacked with other ships. Maybe it depends on which unit you put to sleep first, the ship or the unit aboard?

Carolus

[This message has been edited by Carolus Rex (edited October 11, 1999).]

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posted October 22, 1999 11:46                

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For all those who have contributed, THANKS.

If you are interested in seeing the latest summary, check the summary section!

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posted October 29, 1999 08:13                

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Matthew posted this in the strategy forum:

It takes two luxuries to convert an unhappy citizen to content, and two more to make him happy. So you'd assume it would take six luxuries to convert a very unhappy citizen to happy, but in fact it takes only two. This can result in your cities actually becoming *more* happy as you expand your empire. Not what the designers intended, I believe.