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Topic: Merits of inclusion of historical civs in civ |  |
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paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 16:50
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Originally posted by Ade on 01-21-2001 04:42 PM
fatness was beautiness.
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Sure and they were promessing mothers too, very much wanted by the men! Well at least I am glad I was born 5000 years later
Come here you thin, anemic babe  |
Prometeus
King
of italian troublemakers...
Jun 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 18:01
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Originally posted by cpoulos on 01-20-2001 06:26 AM
I'd be happy to check out your site, but were is it?
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On the top of the link, my fellow civplayer...  |
cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 21, 2001 18:35
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For ade one more time: Phoenicia existed from 1600BC to just before 1 AD, so could not have influenced greece. There were also greek colonies in spain.(Ask jay bee about it in the spanish forum). For an excellent book on the sumerians, try CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION by Profesor Samuel Noah Kramer. this work has been translated into many languages and you may be able to find it in your homeland For Paiktis: Cuneiform is understood and translatable. Remember it is no digression to discuss matters. That is how we all learn to broaden our views, and I will contiue to invite all to express them. One other thing: don't except facts from only one source. Read several books on the same subject to get a better understanding of truth
[This message has been edited by cpoulos (edited January 21, 2001).] |
paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 18:58
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I had to search in the dictionary for «digression»! It's - Apomakrynsi in greek. I'm not trying to get away from anything!! It's not painful! It's just fun to redicule things. Even our own civilization cpoulos  «Nothing is absolut. The measure of all things is each man on its own», Sophists Please don't start quoting Plato now |
cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 21, 2001 19:30
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I won't if you won't! |
paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 19:39
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Deal! |
Ade
Chieftain
Kuorevesi, Finland
Jan 2001
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posted January 21, 2001 20:41
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Hmm. Now I came to think about the change of my sources being wrong, since they said that Phoenicia existed from 3000BC to about year 0... ok, I'll shut up for this matter, until I find more accurate information. For now, I guess I can admit cpoulos being right.------------------
Eating people is fun. |
cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 03:48
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Originally posted by Ade on 01-21-2001 08:41 PM
Hmm. Now I came to think about the change of my sources being wrong, since they said that Phoenicia existed from 3000BC to about year 0... ok, I'll shut up for this matter, until I find more accurate information. For now, I guess I can admit cpoulos being right.
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It's not often that I'm right, so i'll take it! But just the same, you keep right on sending your opinions on things. If nothing else, it makes for fun discussion. |
Rufus T. Firefly
Warlord
Freedonia
Sep 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 05:08
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And now, 2 cents from the guy who "inspired" this thread by claiming (foolishly, stupidly, with an eye only on empire size) that the Germans didn't belong on the list. What the heck was I thinking?  Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and agree with those of you who would dump the Sioux, but I would replace them with the Iroquois. Has anyone suggested this yet? Unlike the Sioux, the Iroquois had fairly permanent settlements, a tight internal organization and even made a major contribution to world civ -- there seems to be evidence that the American Founders lifted at least some of the U.S. Constitution from governing documents of the Iroquois confederacy. Plus, they were in the process agressively expanding their empire by "assimilating" other tribes (check out their war against the Huron, for example) when the Europeans showed up and provided an ultimately-too-formidible enemy. And, to take us back to teh original topic of this thread, I'd especially like to see the Ottomans included; this seems a major oversight, and there's not even a convincing "substitute" civ, a la Carthage/Phonecia, Rome/Byzantium, etc. My pet desire is Anatolian as well: the inclusion of the Hittites. ------------------
Dig trenches, with our men being killed off like flies? There isn't time to dig trenches. We'll have to buy them ready made. Here, run out and get some trenches.
-- Rufus T. Firefly, the original rush-builder |
cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 05:35
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly on 01-22-2001 05:08 AM
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Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and agree with those of you who would dump the Sioux, but I would replace them with the Iroquois. Has anyone suggested this yet? And, to take us back to teh original topic of this thread, I'd especially like to see the Ottomans included; this seems a major oversight, and there's not even a convincing "substitute" civ, a la Carthage/Phonecia, Rome/Byzantium, etc. My pet desire is Anatolian as well: the inclusion of the Hittites.
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Why not the whole six nations? It seems people forget that the eastern tribes were more advanced then the western ones. I agree with the ottomans also, but I think the persians are as close as you get in this game. I should run a thread like this for civ3. And yes Mr. president, you were the inspiration for this!
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Everyman
Chieftain
Honolulu, HI USA
Oct 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 13:38
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This is a bit off the subject but does anyone happen to know if Civ II is big in Korea?PC games in general are a huge phenomenon in Korea -- I understand they even have PC game "Olympics." Anyway, the Age of Kings expansion pack released several months ago included a Korea civilization, historical significance notwithstanding, mainly to endear the game to Korean gamers and capitalize on the lucrative Korean PC game market. In other words, if Civ III includes a Korean civilization, then we'll know that the publishers have succumbed to marketing pressures. |
Jay Bee
The Spanish Civilization II Site
La Jolla, California, USA
b.02-15-99
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posted January 22, 2001 14:05
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Originally posted by cpoulos on 01-21-2001 06:35 PM
For ade one more time: Phoenicia existed from 1600BC to just before 1 AD, so could not have influenced greece. There were also greek colonies in spain.(Ask jay bee about it in the spanish forum)
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Better than that, play my "Of Celts and Iberians" scenario
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cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 14:22
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Originally posted by Jay Bee on 01-22-2001 02:05 PM
Better than that, play my "Of Celts and Iberians" scenario
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I have, and I love It! |
lord of the mark
Warlord
USA
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 15:48
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instead of the sioux, i'd prefer the "mound-builders" the most advanced native culture in US area, unfortunately died out (of Spanish diseases) in 16thc, prior to direct European contact. Unlike the Sioux they did build cities. And, AFAIK, they had much larger area than southwestern Pueblos. They would start at a different position then the Sioux on world maps, in missippi valley instead of Great Plains.
Intersting to look at mound-builder vs. Aztec possibilities. Celts - were becoming heavily influenced by contact with Greek colony at Marseilles prior to Carthie and Roman expansions. Alt history possibility of a hellenized Gaul. Israelites, like Phoenicians (to whom they were very close linguistically and culturally if not religiously) can use Carthies as sub. Real concern of course is starting position, slightly different for Phoienies and Hebrews, very different for Carthies.
In particular would be interesting to play out historical impact of their key location, at junction of land and sea routes. |
paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 18:15
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly on 01-22-2001 05:08 AM
I'd especially like to see the Ottomans included;
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This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you are turkish now would it? Just joking. As I said before, Ottomans should be in.
Hey we re-write history: Constantinople would never have fallen, the greek revolution would never have happened! Everyone's happy |
Rufus T. Firefly
Warlord
Freedonia
Sep 2000
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posted January 23, 2001 09:54
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Originally posted by paiktis22 on 01-22-2001 06:15 PM
This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you are turkish now would it?
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Actually, I'm an American teaching in Ankara. But when in Rome...(or something like that) ------------------
Dig trenches, with our men being killed off like flies? There isn't time to dig trenches. We'll have to buy them ready made. Here, run out and get some trenches.
-- Rufus T. Firefly, the original rush-builder |
popcornvendor
Chieftain
Barbarian City
Dec 2000
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posted January 23, 2001 21:11
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hey, yall are forgetting a big influence on history: the BARBARIANS!!!! i know there not a civ, but i replaced the zulu with the barbarians. i plan to replace alot of other civs too------------------
Enjoy the war while you can, the peace will be terrible |
cpoulos
Prince
NY NY USA
Jan 2001
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posted January 24, 2001 05:36
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Originally posted by popcornvendor on 01-23-2001 09:11 PM
hey, yall are forgetting a big influence on history: the BARBARIANS!!!! i know there not a civ, but i replaced the zulu with the barbarians. i plan to replace alot of other civs too
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All of modern europe ARE the barbarians!!!
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paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 24, 2001 10:48
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«var, var, var» |
popcornvendor
Chieftain
Barbarian City
Dec 2000
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posted January 24, 2001 21:21
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hehehehehe *acts suspicious* its the french's fault! i know its them!!------------------
Enjoy the war while you can, the peace will be terrible |
paiktis22
Warlord
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted January 25, 2001 09:02
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Originally posted by popcornvendor on 01-24-2001 09:21 PM
hehehehehe *acts suspicious* its the french's fault! i know its them!!
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Actually, the term «barbarian» didn;t have the meaning it has acquired in the modern days.
In Ancient Greece everyone who didn't speak greek was a barbarian and that didn;t mean he was a uncivilized. Because greek was so widely used, the greeks who heard other languages and could not understand them labeled those people «barbarians» (or varvarians) because they made sounds (that sounded like) var var var True!
Nothing to do with the later meaning |
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