The year is 2014, small world, and I as the Aztecs have the Chinese and Celts left to vanquish. The Celts have discovered Space Flight, built Apollo, and begun their spaceship. I, OTOH, have been busy building a beautiful ICS world whose cities are ready to spit out a most terrible war machine.

I make my way through the Celts (using spies to avoid ZsOC) and pull up alongside their capital with a bazillion vet howitzers. When the dust settles, the Celt empire is torn by civil war and the Sioux emerge.

But, lo, the new Celt capital is just down the road. I say to myself, "Why not?" and in the same turn, blow this new capital away. Surprise! Surprise! The Celt nation again is swept by civil war and the Carthaginians arise out of the ashes.

The new Celt capital is again moved just a whoop and a holler away. Third times the charm!! I go after it again (still on the same turn ) and, voila!!! Another civil war, this time the Germans popping up.

Needless to say, the Celts as a force to be reckoned with were no more. I totally eliminated them in 2015, the Germans in 2016, the Carthaginians in 2017, and have the rest in my sights now.

Whew!!!

What a game!!!

You've probably seen the Tizzie's thread below discussing the conditions for inducing civil war. It is, I think, accepted that the target civ has to be bigger than your own (a carry over from Civ1) but I have seen various suggestions as to what bigger means - more cities - higher on the powergraph - whatever.

My own suspicion has always been that the condition hinges on population and I wonder if your game supports that? I'm not a sleazer, but I imagine that for all the large number of your cities the aggregate population won't be in the same league with that of a civ with some cities where the population runs to a good few millions. Population count goes up geometrically in cities I think.

To the best of my recollection (and it's pretty good since the game is still going on), I not only had more cities then the Celts at the time of the first civil war, I had a larger total population at the time of the last civil war.

Hmmmm.

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quote: Originally posted by DrFell on 12-15-2000 11:18 PM whats the smallest number of cities youve seen an ai civ have when its split?

The last of these three resulted in about 3 or 4 cities in the new civ.

And I agree with Lefty's theory.

In my current game, I've caused 2 Celtic civil wars, although on different turns. I wasn't really going for splitting the civ, but as fate would have it the Celts were split after centuries of stalking by my very outdated units. The first split caused the Indians to pop up, the second caused the Japanese to be created. I was surprised after this second split as I didn't think the Celts were still the largest civ. Anyway, after the second civil war, the Celts had only 2 cities remaining. I didn't take notes due to excitement, but I'm pretty sure that only 2 cities remained. I'll have to check when I again have time to play.

quote: Originally posted by Bohlen on 12-18-2000 11:27 AM I thought I knew the civil war formula, but am just downright confused now.

Me too!
That's why I keep asking about it - I thought I knew the rules, and now it seems they're not as I thought.

It would be good if I had time to do a proper study into it......

quote: Originally posted by DrFell on 12-15-2000 11:18 PM whats the smallest number of cities youve seen an ai civ have when its split?

5, in the game I wrote about on Tizzy's thread. The English sacked Paris, leaving the French with Tours and the newly-emergent Japanese with 3 decidedly oddly named cities. This was the game where neither the sacking nor the sacked civ was the strongest by any measure. Curiouser and curiouser.

quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly on 12-19-2000 07:31 AM This was the game where neither the sacking nor the sacked civ was the strongest by any measure. Curiouser and curiouser.

Nothing has ever been said that for a civ to have a civil war that it has to be the strongest... it only has to be larger than the civ that conquers their capital. The big debate is what 'larger' means. I had always assumed it to be # of cities or land area covered. Others have interpreted it to mean population. Other experiences of people make it sound like there could be a random factor to it.

quote: Originally posted by Smash on 12-20-2000 05:04 PM AFAIK it is the powergraph leader that is vulnerable to splits. Which makes me wonder kcbob.If you are still splitting ais at that date...er...well...um..how do I say this...

LOL!

So what are you tryin' to say, huh??? Are you sayin' you've seen better Civ2 players??? Cause if you are sayin' that... you're probably right.

Although I will say this. I did conquer the world in 2019 so there.