- see them coming, and
- block the fast route in, giving you a chance to expel them.

They're a good way to "take everyone down with you."

Way back when I was still getting trounced on Chieftan, my cities were being picked off (I'd already lost the game), I mass built nukes and destroyed the environment. The Frenchies might've beaten me, but their world wasn't livable

SDI ain't going to save you now!!!!

But really in Civ 1 I remember all of Russia being covered with polutition because I was nuking every barb unit that appeared there!! And that was a lot!!! Needless to say I had a slight over-heating problem.

Granted nukes on the ground are more havoc than they are worth, not to mention expensive, but a tactfull nuke followed by a mass of engineers to help fix the radiation problem can go along way.

No one is saying nuke the WHOLE planet, just a capital here and maybe a pest here. Then roll in the tanks, howies, spies, mech inf, and bombers and show them what a real invasion is all about. Of course you could be a Wussy empire like us Canadians, and just let people bully you, but then again, YOUR changing history right

The primary purpose of spies (should my game ever get that far) is to sek out and destroy the Manhatten Project wherever it might raise its ugly little head.

I hate nukes

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Ah, spies can still plant nukes in cities that have sdi

It does add to realism, i like the missle crisis threat, and if one or two launch by mistake, oh well.
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Besides, had the Romans nukes in their era, they most certainly would have used them on Carthage, remember these are the same people who believed Carthage should never be inhabited again, i believe they soiled the land with salt, nukes are soiling with radiation, and its not like one doesnt' have a million engineers running around in the late game with very little to do anyways.
The one thing we can agree on is that nukes do let a serious monster out of the game and are one way the ai has to stalemate you. Granted an ending like that is and has been a most disappointing way to finish a game. Such is life, use nukes with caution

Where did i state decimating a city with a bunch of nukes? I stated that one nuke does the same damage as a bunch of howies without city walls plus the added pollution.

Realism? Seems realistic to destroy a civ with 16 howies on their rail system in one turn as well I think not!

Realism? Every civ ganging up on you every single game because your supreme, yet they don't do that against the ai when it is supreme.

Where is the realism of unlimited missle/fighter/bomber ai ranges?

Like i previously stated, if you can't handle nukes, go back to the command and conquer way of tanks and howies. The only skill there is getting your transports onto the ai's land, once there, *yawn* well we know the rest.

And realism? Yah lets bribe EVERY ai city because were fundy and have lots of money, wow, there is fun.

Or perhaps the realism of crushing the ai with 8 vet knights in the early game. Like one little army can take over the real world, i doubt it.

So, i see nukes (once again) as someting to use as a last resort. Nowhere am i say or wanting to get into a nuke slugfest with anyone. Anyone who has played the game long enough knows what can happen if you trade blows. However, one or two nukes especially at sea where there is no pollution is viable at times.

Oh and one more case for realism. Cruise missles only killing one unit in a city and not doing any damage to improvements , yah theres realism

In reality, cruise missles should destroy IMO one unit and one improvement per missle.

Its quite possible to mount a large attack using the opponents rail system. Yes it is, but highly unrealistic that you could conquer a whole nation in one turn. Even Hitler needed three weeks to take Poland.

I wansn't refering to C&C, I was portraying a later game civ 2 strike force, sorry for the confusion. Still that is all it takes and ho hum.

Bribing city leaders, to some extent i will agree with, but not the whole nation once the capital falls. Totally unrealistic. Bribing in this game under the current model is too cheap and too easy.

You miss my point on the knights. They or crusaders are obviously the choice for early attacks. I find it unrealistic to think that a marauding horde of knights could conquer the whole known world. I know the Mongols did it with horsemen actually horse archers but it still reeks.

its also perfectly possible for the missle to miss completely, yet that isn't a choice in civ2 now is it. Therefore your opinion is worthless as well

Ok i shot myself in the foot because of the Mongol comprarison, with the knights. I will concede the point that it is irrelevant what type of army you use to conquer the world. The Mongols used horsemen, the Romans the legion, etc.... many civs were conquered by whatever technology was available. The Assyrians used chariots, the Romans were eventually toppled by knights and other heavy armoured mounted troops.

In Civ you can use nukes to do the same thing. In history, the Americans dropped two nukes on Japan, and although they did not "conquer" Japan in that sense of the word, they did end the war very dramatically this way, which can also be done in civ. I have dropped nukes in civ when the ai hasn't had them and they were mighty eager for a cease fire, so i see it as totally realistic.

Besides if i ate the moon, the tides on earth would be screwed up and all the surfers in the world would be

Maybe, just maybe before the last iceage there was a great civ which had used nukes and inadvertantly a couple of nukes ended up hitting the moon and that is why the moon has holes in it