Talk about a wipeout.........

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 11-27-2000 06:36 AM are there any other ""good"" examples?

Jap-zeros VS Destroyers & Battleships > TORA-TORA-TORA!
Submarine's > The hunt for Red October.
Spies > Any 007//-*
Chariots & Triremes > BEN-HUR
Archers VS Knights > Robin Hood
Explorer VS Warriors > 1492
Stealth Fighter VS Nukes > The Arrow.
Caravans VS Legion > Simbad.

on the front: knight vs fluffy bunny rabbit: monty pythons search for the holy grail

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 11-28-2000 03:51 PM Warriors vs. Riflemen - Zulu (I think that's the name of the movie)

wouldn't that be warrior vs musketeers?

phalanx vs. riflemen

(The Zulus did have small spears)

Elephant VS spy > OCTOPUSSY
Fighter VS Carrier > MIDWAY
Horseman VS Warrior > GERONIMO
Diplomat > CHAPLIN
Frigates VS Galleon > Any good pirates adventure!

2. The movie "Das Boot"/"The Boat" was indeed a great movie and the book is even better, especially in the original German. My addition has additional comments by Herr Glass about the background for the book. The English version that was/is? available here in the states is a fairly accurate translation and the movie follows the book(s) quite closely. A lot better than most movie adaptations of books do.

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Zulu Dawn- With Burt Lancaster and Peter O'Toole. Depicts the battle of Isandlwana.

Zulu- Shows the Battle of Rorke's Drift where the British garrison of 180 men faces 6,000 Zulu warriors.

Shaka Zulu- Movie about the life of Shaka Zulu. (Just added this for further arguments)

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"We sought to throw a raging lion ashore; what we got was a stranded whale!" -Winston Curchill on the Battle of Anzio

"Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?" -Juvenal

Thanks,

If the movie you saw had the British holed up in a mission, then it's Zulu. But I think you're talking about Zulu Dawn which in the beginning has a meeting with a Zulu ambassador and some British officials and the battle was lost because ammunition wasn't brought to the front in an orderly manner

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"We sought to throw a raging lion ashore; what we got was a stranded whale!" -Winston Curchill on the Battle of Anzio

"Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?" -Juvenal

SG is probably correct in his assessement that Zulu Dawn may have been more technically accurate, at least as far as the terrain goes. I've replayed the battle as the Zulus in the Victoria campaign using Age of Rifles and the terrain map is full of hills, knolls, and ravines of various sizes. SSI is usually quite accurate in their preset scenarios and campaign components, consistant with game play requirements.

Do you know was ammunition distribution a significant problem in the actual battle? Or, was that just another case of American Filmmakers picking on the British Mentality for a bigger box office take?

Horseman VS Horseman > THE ALAMO
Legion VS Phalanx > SPARTACUS
Catapult VS Warrior > CLEOPATRA
Subs VS Subs > 10,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA

Each and everyone of those "movies" had units that looked almost identical to Civ's.

And the last but not the extremely important historical figure least;

Better believe it, because it was a pivotal bravery and courageous heroe in the glorious FRANCE against the BRITAIN invasion...

Bombers vs Fanatics: Lawrence of Arabia (Well, they were Arabs, but it looks close enough)

Jet Fighter vs Jet Fighter: Top Gun

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"We sought to throw a raging lion ashore; what we got was a stranded whale!" -Winston Curchill on the Battle of Anzio

"Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?" -Juvenal

Scenario's original texts and deleted scenes by the cinematographic industry producers... excluded. Rated PG-13.

Helicopter VS Helicopter(s) > APOCALYPSE NOW!
(Starring Martin Sheen by Oliver Stone)

Marines & Spies VS Tanks & other Marines > WHERE EAGLES DARE.
(Starring Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton.)

Do i know my movies?
Here's two pivotal Academy award losers for many different political and competition reasons;

MISSION TO MARS & THE RED PLANET > any units from Civ2's scenario designers.

What about THE GRINCH! and GLADIATOR.

quote: I stand corrected. England is a different "country" than Great Britain. Commonwealth and so on. NATO. In fact, France was also known in the past to be "La GAULE" under The Roman Empire invasion. The actual province of Quebec, part of the Canadian political federation, is reknown to have had its fair share of "cultural" history and disputed -colonization- influences. As for, contacts in America; well, trading partners are essential for economic reasons... Mexico with the USA, Canada with USA, Brazil, Panama, Uruguay, Chile, Columbia, Argentina, etc. The European economic community is another Trade pool.

Grrrr. Are you trying to wind me up? At the time of Joan of Arc Scotland and England were as distinct as countries as North and South Korea, and with all the menace of war between them. There was no Great Britain till hundreds of years later. France was Scotland’s greatest ally throughout this time and we often raised arms against the English on their behalf and vice versa. England was a major threat to both countries though happily it never managed to conquer either.

quote: Originally posted by johnmcd on 12-21-2000 05:30 AM Grrrr. Are you trying to wind me up? [This message has been edited by johnmcd (edited December 21, 2000).]

Not at all... The history of Europe is and has been in turmoil, specially when the new continent was discovered.
The rushing across the Atlantic ocean had many countries "racing" to get TO the treasures, first.
It is not through many years of "land" defending and fleet sending that these countries had to sustain to RULE the others, but rather in the sharing of negotiated territorial influences by means of war and pioneering settlements.
Much to their surprise, they weren't alone (England and France) but also accompanied by the Spanish, Portugese, Vikings (oh yes, they were the first from Europe) and many more (How do you explain the pyramid of Palenque in Mexico?)

Back in the 17th century, are we? The Mayas were flourishing in -4th... maybe even further in the past. Way before Copernic nailed the Orbits of the inner planets, Incas had "THE" Astronomical Chart engraved in granite and temple's walls.

Interesting conversation about historical facts.