(1) I don't draw first blood. I like to think of my civ as a peace-loving civ that resorts to warfare only when attacked.

(2) I try not to break treaties. (However, there are times when I provoke the AI into breaking them.)

(3) I don't build the Manhattan Project. For philosophical reasons. Also, I don't enjoy nukefests.

(4) I try to win before howitzers are available. IMO, howitzers are too powerful, so I try to win the old-fashioned way of bribery or destroying city walls and then killing off the defenders.

Of course, all items in my code of honor are negotiable.

I never use spies. I just never liked spy units. I never considered their actions very realistic. I prefer conventional warfare. Also why I never build manhattan project and never build nukes. I also never build cruise missles but that's mainly because I see them as a waste.

I never poison cities, and usually don't nuke. But only because it's really not needed.

I'm also reminded of my days playing Risk. I would look at one of the other players and offer a treaty. Something along the lines of "If you don't attack me in Brazil for three moves, I won't attack you in North Africa for three moves." Then, one move later, I'd attack. Hey, all's fair in love and war, n'est-ce pas?

Now poisoning cities and building the Manhattan Project, I'd have to agree with you all on those. Bad move. Bad. Bad move.

2- I don't break alliances, but this is kept only due to chance.

that's about it, i guess...

I never start a nuclear war, if the enemy does not have nuclear weapons.

I never give my allied any techs if they demand so.

I always occupy all of the citys from a enemy, if he's a agressive guy and dangers the wealth and the freedom ( :-) ) of my civ!

I treat the different civs the way they treat me.

Hostile Aggressive civs are treated with hostility, deceit, and - hopefully - total annilation and assimilation. I have no problem setting up Peace Treaties with these hostile to gain an advantage the attempt to crush them. My reputation be damned! I'm ridding the world of a menace.

Peaceful nations are allowed to live in peace with me. If I'm playing bloodlust I find it hard to wipe out a 4,000 year old ally. I usually retire at that point.

I hate peace treaties. I'd rather have a cease fire or war if I can't get a civ to agree to an alliance.

I don't attack when an ally requests it. I might say yes but rarely do. The AI never really helps me attack.

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 11-09-2000 09:45 AMI think a true MP game should be like those old Risk games: you keep your word and expect the other guy to keep his. If he doesn't, well, an elephant never forgets .

Believe me, Dave, I always knew full well that I was running the risk of damaging my reputation during the games. Perhaps it was because we were all a bunch of cutthroats in my circle of Risk players. Part of the thrill was making the agreement and seeing how long it would be before somebody broke it. What I couldn't understand was the sometimes reaction from players who would say "But you promised!!!" Sorry. C'est la vie.

Having never played an MP game of Civ2, I would like to think that if I made a treaty in that arena, I would keep it to the end.

If someone doesn't expect that type of game play, you do run the risk of never getting that person to play with you again. I guess it depends who you play with, and what their expectations of gaming are.

quote: Originally posted by skrobism on 11-09-2000 01:03 PM I play games with people who are willing to get into heated yelling matches about game play - style and rules interpretation - but then walk into the kitchen for more beer, joke about this and that, then as soon as we return to the game table the 'fight' starts again. I see that 'fight' as part of the game. 'I can't believe you did that! You idiot!'

Exactly!!!

BTW. I'm attacking you in Eastern Australia.

quote: Originally posted by skrobism on 11-09-2000 11:50 AM I don't attack when an ally requests it. I might say yes but rarely do. The AI never really helps me attack.

The only time i do this is when i talk to them with this purpose.

I'm sure that this lowers your reputation less than if you just snak attack.

Generally don't build the manhattan project.

Don't start a nuclear war, but more than willing to retaliate.

Never poison cities.

Never give military advances unless I am well ahead on the tech tree. howitzers and tanks against legions and catapults gets boring pretty quickly.

Never pay tribute

quote: Originally posted by skrobism on 11-09-2000 01:26 PM We agreed that Australia was to be a combat free zone! You backstabber! What about the environmental effects? Think of the koalas - the kangaroos! You monster!

Waaahhh!!!

What do you expect??? After the way you attacked me in Brazil with two moves left in our prior treaty!!

Me a backstabber??? Et tu, skrobism?

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quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 11-09-2000 09:45 AM I'm with Ming on single-player ethics: whatever it takes to win. I usually keep a spotless rep for most of the game, but as soon as it becomes inconvenient I discard it like yesterday's socks.

And it has worked so far. Just when I thought I couldn't have any more fun playing SP, here come these artificial playing rules that I have to abide by. My code of honor has made the SP game exciting again.

For military games:
1) No "cheats" (Bomber over stacks, airbase, etc)
2) No nukes.
3) No Republic or Democracy.

For perferctionist games:
1) All the military rules (except #3).
2) No more than 15 cities.
3) Must stay in Democracy.
4) Can't take over AI cities (bribery or force).
5) Can't start/declare war.
6) Accept all peace treaties/cease fires (even if I have UN).

I don't poison cities because really in my way of playing that has little use most of the times.

I don't use nukes 'cause I know thigs can get messy

I try hard not be the first to attack, but sometimes, if an AI has established a city inside my territory, I will try to knock them off before they can get too big.

Also, if I've made a treaty with someone and then his troops start tracking up my nice lean irrigated fields, I will break the treaty within a turn or two, sometimes less if I'm feeling nasty.

I don't go for the Manhattan Project, and won't use nukes. So far I haven't run into a situation where the AI has gotten nukes, so this one might be amenable to the "toss if necessary" rule.

Every so often, once I've gotten my ship built, or so near built as don't matter, I might get sick and tired of some AI city being so close to my territory and being a threat just bey existing, and will go after them. This usually happens, as I say, near the end of the game when I'm starting to get tired of this map and all its wierdnesses. And every map has its wierdnesses.

Mostly I try to be a noble and non-aggressive enemy, but on occasion I will demand tribute from an enemy just to get a war going so I can chop down some of those guys who are starting to crowd me.

Dont bribe AI cities.

I prefer not to fight with Nukes. "gets really ugly"

I prefer to ally with a small AI civ and have them love me through out the game... I donate gold and soldiers for their cause, until they stab me in the back, buts thats another story.

I honor all my treaties, until it becomes profitable to break them "MPG games included"

I always notify ya when I'm breaking a treaty.

I prefer no bribing at all in MPG games..Its to much of a problem.

quote: Originally posted by kcbob on 11-09-2000 08:38 AM I'm also reminded of my days playing Risk. I would look at one of the other players and offer a treaty. Something along the lines of "If you don't attack me in Brazil for three moves, I won't attack you in North Africa for three moves." Then, one move later, I'd attack. Hey, all's fair in love and war, n'est-ce pas?

Damn ! Kcbob, you were worse than my little brother !
We had some real little fight about Risk. And I was in a family where to play Monopoly you needed to bring paper and pens to write all the secret contracts.
Fortunately, they were also games like chess where all was nice, clean and honest. But of course, it was then so hard to lose and to have nobody but oneself to blame for the defeat.

I don't kill settlers (unless they're stacked with combat units)

quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 11-10-2000 04:43 AM Damn ! Kcbob, you were worse than my little brother ! We had some real little fight about Risk. And I was in a family where to play Monopoly you needed to bring paper and pens to write all the secret contracts. Fortunately, they were also games like chess where all was nice, clean and honest. But of course, it was then so hard to lose and to have nobody but oneself to blame for the defeat.

Hey, Julius. How about a game of full contact chess?? Actually, it looks like you're about to get a challenger from the other games forum, don't you think?

I just have a favorite strategy, a preffered way of playing that I know how to conduct to near perfection.

This is the creation of a perfectionist empire that is completly unified (no enemy cities inside my territory and if an ally decides he doesn't care about the alliance any more I bribe the cities that he has built inside my territory).
Main goal is to be always ahead in technology (democratic governement - I built all the modern happy wonders I can so I can have bombers and some mobility of troops just for defencive purposed)

In this contex I
always try to have spotless rep,
Rarely use nukes, or poison city.
Never pay tribute unless I aboslutely have to keep a city alive.
Always play hardcore civ. No reloads.

quote: Originally posted by kcbob on 11-10-2000 01:52 PM Hey, Julius. How about a game of full contact chess?? Actually, it looks like you're about to get a challenger from the other games forum, don't you think?

Damn, my computer wanted to answer all by itself ! (Stupid machine indeed).
I'm sure going to get a chess challenge soon. But I ought to be (as for now) the challenger and not the challenged. Yes it looks that Smash-Carolus is near its conclusion and I should soon defy the Apolyton Chess Club World Champion.

1. Break no treaties or cease-fires.

2. Alliances are permanent.

3. What my Ally has is mine; and mine, my Ally's.

4. Not winning is better than breaking an Alliance.

5. I will not nuke first.

6. I will take care of my environment even if my enemies do not.

7. I will not destroy an enemy's Capital to destroy a Spaceship.

8. I will play the game I see, not the game that can be discovered through bugs.

1) Never use Nuclear Missles (Includes not building MP)

2) Never Poison.

3) Never bribe (Unless bribed by same civ).

4) Never break treaties or alliances (Includes annoying until the other civ breaks.)

5) Never use Fundy.

6) Never use Communism.

7) Never use Monarchy.

8) When possible lux rate must be at 30%.

9) Must have good defending units in all cities.

10) Must have happy improvements before industry.

11) Never kill settlers unless blocking territory owned by me.

12) Never kill caravans unless blocking territory owned by me.

13) Never kill explorers unless invading privacy.

14) Never capture enemy cities (Unless forced).

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