posted October 12, 2000 06:43

problem is ... what exactly does the BB unit represent?
1 BB, several BB, 1 BB + support craft, an entire fleet?

	posted October 12, 2000 11:04

I'd like to think that all single civ icons represent groups of related units. For me, the battleship unit consists of multiple battleships and the bomber unit of multiple bombers. I guess you could use any amount when talking about the number of units that is represented by a game icon. It's all relative. I really don't think the game designers made any one game icon to represent one single unit of that type.

	posted October 13, 2000 06:15

ok, problem solved

	posted October 17, 2000 05:51

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	posted October 17, 2000 06:27

anyone care to guess as to the numbers of people in a musketeer unit (or riflemen or paratroops or ...)

	posted October 18, 2000 04:59

when I play the high levels, cruise missles decimate my battleships and carriers to the point I don't bother building them. But I agree air units should be much more effective against them. But remember modern battlehsips (refitted Missouri/Iowa/Wisconsin) were outfitted with phalanx weaons systems to replace old aa guns. Although they were never really battle tested.
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	posted October 18, 2000 17:32

As for number of ships/men in a unit. I always figured battleships and carrier units to be 1 ship. Although cruisers/destoryers would be maybe 5 to 10 ships. And I count infanry/ mech infantry to be 1 division. aircraft to be one squadron etc. Just little things to add more realism to the game. I know it's not really a war game, but close enough.

	posted October 19, 2000 16:22

quote: Originally posted by suas333 on 10-12-2000 09:29 PM right, just like a population points count as like 10,000 people, i think each unit counts as an army division of some kind.

Exept for nukes

	posted October 20, 2000 06:03

like i said, who cares?

	posted October 30, 2000 18:11

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	posted October 31, 2000 06:11

but like i said a few posts back, if the BB unit represents a BB taskforce (with a DD screen) THEN ít's perfectly ok for a BB unit to kill a fighter unit

	posted October 31, 2000 10:33

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 10-31-2000 06:11 AM yes, but take bismark for example. it goy it's rudder jammed by a stringbag attack (stringbags ... as in biplanes) several US BBs got sunk at pearl harbour and the only instance where a BB killed anything that resembled a CV was when basically everything the japanese had left attacked 3 tiny CVEs I don't recall any occasion where something like a B17 attacked a BB but like i said a few posts back, if the BB unit represents a BB taskforce (with a DD screen) THEN ít's perfectly ok for a BB unit to kill a fighter unit

Last major battleship actions where they killed/sunk other large units:

Spanish-American War 1898 (Maine was sunt by a spy, right?)
Russo-Japan Conflict 1906(is that the right year Japanese just totally destroy a Russian fleet by "crossing the T" which is a naval term for crossing in front the enemies line of ships to concentrate fire and minimize exposure to enemy guns.)
Jutland WWI (don't recall number of ships sunk or types)
Bismark action WWII (pretty serious firefight after the Bismark couldn't steer -- check out the footage of that battle if you want to see some serious BB action)
Leyte Gulf WWII
Other Pacific encounters in WWII
Am I missing any? It does seem to be rare occurance. Considering the number of actual actions versus the amount of opportunities for action.

Many more BB's lost due to airstrike (never by a B-17, I believe the Japanese sunk the Prince of Wales and another UK ship near Singapore by level flight bombers. No British air cover - not smart. I think the Ark Royal was the carrier slated to go with the task force, but had turn back for repairs in the Carriberean). There's Pearl Harbor and Midway also.

Mostly WWII Pacific theatre for your big airstrikes sinking big ships.

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	posted November 02, 2000 11:36

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	posted November 09, 2000 22:09

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 10-20-2000 06:03 AM there are loads of things not quite realistic (like, who cares) like sending some poor phalanx on a walk around the poles like i said, who cares?

Send a phalanx on a walk around the poles? Ridiculous! I use a horseman. Or sometimes a horseman on a trireme.

Jim W

	posted November 09, 2000 22:13

quote: Originally posted by Jim W on 11-09-2000 10:09 PM Send a phalanx on a walk around the poles? Ridiculous! I use a horseman. Or sometimes a horseman on a trireme. Jim W

Sorry, that should be:

Send a phalanx on a walk around the poles? Ridiculous! I use a horseman. Or sometimes a horseman on a trireme.

Jim W

	posted November 10, 2000 06:11

is there anything in CIV that didn't happen in real life

	posted November 10, 2000 16:36

WOW Never thought about these things

Although there is something that is not very realistic in CIV 2.
In modern era there seem to be a constant ww2 or ww3 or ww4 you ge the picture. Everybody is fighting YOU. Assuming you are the most powerful civ... Not very realistic

	posted November 10, 2000 22:17

True. But not the WHOLE WORLD against you
Then again there are 147 or so countries on Earth whereas only 7 in CIV...

Ah, CIV you got to love it

By the way why is Civ 3 taking so damn long?????

	posted November 13, 2000 06:19

still, this state of constant world war doesn't appear to exist irl

	posted November 13, 2000 07:25

I suppose Hannibal's men didn't face minus 40 but they did face plenty of snow and ice - plus more uphill than you get at the poles.