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Topic: get your cheat o matic Current Date/Time:
May 01, 2000 14:19:30
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted March 28, 2000 14:13
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What is this? http://www.listsoft.com/cgi-bin/code.pl/VOL/eng/programs/pr1813.htm http://www.3drealms.com/bio/shaffner.html
I notice its only for widoze.
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finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted March 28, 2000 19:22
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Damn good question. Not quite good enough to tempt me over to widoze, though.  ------------------
finbar
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Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted March 29, 2000 03:40
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I think I'll pass - even though it is for the operating system of choice (who's choice, you notice, is never addressed).
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 05, 2000 22:27
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this is available in the DB.Apparently there are 398 cheaters here 
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Alexander's Horse
Emperor
a speeding horse float streaming manure and piss.
May 99
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posted April 06, 2000 00:23
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*right, I'm ready for war and khanman now*
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 06, 2000 18:38
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LOL |
finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted April 06, 2000 21:18
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But what does the thing actually DO?------------------
finbar
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 06, 2000 21:56
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I don't know but it says it allows you to modify any value in the game.As it runs.So I guess you can give yourself units,techs,improvements,wonders,maps.maybe you can change the value of terrain.Change your treasury."any value" is fairly broad |
St Leo
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
b.02-15-99
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posted April 08, 2000 21:54
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It searches for a value you type in in the active memory of the app, then asks you to change it several times until it can pinpoint that memory address that holds the variable (or pointer, or whatever) and then allows you to change it. ------------------
St. Leo
http://ziggurat.sidgames.com/
http://www.sidgames.com/forums/ |
Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 08, 2000 23:02
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huh?  |
finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted April 09, 2000 02:12
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I notice it's also been removed from the first of the two sites Smash linked in the first post. Or it had been.------------------
finbar
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 09, 2000 14:36
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Hey! so it has.I wonder why.Perhaps I shall start a crusade to purge the world of this evil program. |
CapTVK
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Voorburg, the Netherlands, Europe
b.02-15-99
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posted April 09, 2000 17:11
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My god this program is evil! It totally elimates any technical barrier for cheating! I've heard about these things but I never bothered to check it out. Do these things also work in MP!?Sigh, some things never change, I remember doing this sort of thing back in the 8-bit era (peek-poke-sys) for the good old infinite ammo/jumps/lives poke. But that was on a C64 and you had reset the machine and find the exact hex codes and jump back into the program. You had to know how it worked. But with this...I can hardly imagine people actually using this program in Civ2MP. |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
a speeding horse float streaming manure and piss.
May 99
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posted April 10, 2000 01:26
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quote:
Originally posted by St Leo on 04-08-2000 09:54 PMIt searches for a value you type in in the active memory of the app, then asks you to change it several times until it can pinpoint that memory address that holds the variable (or pointer, or whatever) and then allows you to change it.
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Yeah um, what he said. I still don't know what it does or how to use it but JUST HAVING IT ON MY SYSTEM gives me the confidence to feel like I could whoop War4 and Khanman ANY DAMN TIME I LIKE.
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Ming
ACS CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Mingapulco (CST)
b.02-15-99
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posted April 10, 2000 08:57
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Does this work for MP games... Do you have to be the host, or does it matter. Now I know no one would ever want to admit that they have tried it... but has anybody experimented with it to see if it does work for Civ MP? |
finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted April 10, 2000 09:28
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What he asked. That I wasn't game to.  ------------------
finbar
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vlad
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Castle Vlad,Transylvania
Dec 1999
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posted April 14, 2000 04:21
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After hearing of this program I had my brother(a computer geek)download this,since I have trouble even adding new icons to my civ files.We played a MP game where he hosted and used the cheat thing. This is what happened,I was unable to detect it, but did have some strange reactions,first he had unusually high lag as host,we tried the same day without cheats and his lag was fine. It also made my mouse do wacky stuff,why I don't know. We saved each turn so I could go back and see if I could spot the cheats,and it was quite obvious as gold went nuts and so did his building.Here is my end observation of this experiment. Alot of people cheat playing civ online,alot of league players cheat. People not only use programs,but use 2 computers to pull the map clean and see their opponents.I have even been accused of cheating because of a good start by souse76(the chief)and he knew this because he was using a cheat program to look at my map.I love to play civ online and recently after many months have found some great people to play against,Wooz,Seankhan,Acidreign,Alia23,Oedo, Phatman,Empress,Joxur(jluchford),and Darkstorm.These people I know play an honest game and I am sure there are others,but these are the ones I choose to play with. I don't worry about saving every turn,setting passwords,etc.... and that adds to the fun I have playing,which is what this game is all about,fun. Nuff said
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Alexander's Horse
Emperor
a speeding horse float streaming manure and piss.
May 99
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posted April 14, 2000 07:03
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Good Post. Please post more often. |
Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 14, 2000 15:21
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so it does work then?But fairly obvious?Hmmmmm....I spose a good "cheater" would have something more sophisticated.This is kinda old.Oh well.I've played with Empress and I can/will vouch for her.I strongly believe/hope the vast majority of players are above board.They don't cheat.They are just better than me.But it only takes 1 bad apple..... saving every turn is double edge.You find things out you really don't want to |
Bohlen
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Columbus, Ohio, USA EST
Nov 1999
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posted April 14, 2000 16:31
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Why would anyone want to cheat at anything when others are competing to reach the same goal? I've always had a hard time understanding the thrill someone has of winning when they use no intelligence to do so, other than to find a way to cheat and get away with it. Does the cheater actually believe they are more skillful when using a program like this to gain a victory? I just don't get it.Thanks for posting the players that do what they should...play fair. That is the only way to play this and any other MP game. It's not a bad way to go in life, too!
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SlowHand
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Dallas, Texas Central U.S. time -6
Jan 2000
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posted April 14, 2000 18:53
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Right. Why cheat? I've asked this many times. Where is the thrill? And why should the developers concern themselves with "cheat proofing" their game? It shouldn't be a priority or concern.
The level of thinking required to be successful at Civ would lend to the belief that the majority of players are into it for the competition of the game, not the competition of best cheat. |
Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 14, 2000 19:13
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I don't know.But human beings do it all the time.Taxes.Steriods.Marriage.How bout that Rosie that "won" the Boston or NYC marathon?I guess to some winning is everything |
vlad
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Castle Vlad,Transylvania
Dec 1999
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posted April 14, 2000 19:51
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Just want to add that the players I listed are current ones I try to play with,didn't mean to leave others out or infer that all others are cheaters. I have confidence that alot of people who post here are honest gamers,just haven't had a chance to play everyone,well yet :-) Some of you Aussies sound like you would be a blast to play with. |
SlowHand
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Dallas, Texas Central U.S. time -6
Jan 2000
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posted April 15, 2000 01:05
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Steroids, marrage, and marathons? Smash, isnt that more cheating due to physical inadequasies? ah-hahahaha! Eyes, care to speak on this?
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Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 15, 2000 14:08
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hehe...well, maybe those were bad examples.But you get the idea.cheat-o-matic and similiar programs might make up for civ inadequacies.
now,if they could make one for another inadequacy.Not for me of course......
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finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted April 15, 2000 22:04
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Come on down, vlad. Our ICQs are dotted around the various threads. Time zones present the only problems, but even they're manageable.  ------------------
finbar
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vlad
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Castle Vlad,Transylvania
Dec 1999
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posted April 16, 2000 00:24
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Well Finbar I am a vampire after all so I am up til 6am central time which is about 11pm or so aussie time.So perhaps we can get a game in.My icq is 14528854 |
hydey
Chieftain
carrum downs,victoria,australia
Mar 2000
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posted April 16, 2000 06:04
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as aperson who has played sport all my life, I hate cheating and cheats I would rather loose every game I play than to win one by cheating. If I found out that someone had cheated me I would make a point of telling everyone about it
CHEATING SUCKS IT IS ONLY FOR THE WEAKps VLAD there are many Aussies down here with fin who are more than willing to make time to play others from other time zones
good clean civing all ------------------
hooray hooray its a Hydey Hydey day |
finbar
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Sydney, Australia
Jul 1999
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posted April 16, 2000 07:07
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Oh, Vlad the Impaler! I see. Okay, we'll keep plenty of mirrors, garlic and fan pix of Christopher Lee handy. ------------------
finbar
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George Garrett
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Victoria. B.C. Canada
May 99
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posted April 16, 2000 12:20
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Cheating exists, 'cos cheating pays...if I cheat at Diety, and win big - or merely lie
about it, to my fellows here, most would be too polite to doubt me, I would even receive some accolades.In RL I would go into politics -now that's REAL cheating! - and get to rule a country. It's our own fault that cheating(I'm referring to RL now, I've nothing against it in Civ SP) exists - we should be more sceptical. Thus endeth my Sunday sermon |
SilverDragon
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Bethesda, Maryland
Apr 2000
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posted April 26, 2000 21:43
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I truly think that cheating is one of the dumbest things people do. Why is ther so much satisfaction inCheat to build armor in 3950 BC
Armor attacks phalanx
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Long live the Communists!
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Fast_Eddie
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San Francisco
Apr 99
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posted April 27, 2000 20:57
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I have nothing against cheating really. I never really try to conquer everyone very quickly, I usually have long games. It suck to end at 2020, so I usually cheat to knock it back to 4000. I also take some techs away from civs and give others some techs. It really makes the game different, even if I do kinda know what I'm up against.Cheating cos you can't win as is means you're an idiot.
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Bohlen
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Columbus, Ohio, USA EST
Nov 1999
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posted April 28, 2000 16:46
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Cheating against the AI is something entirely different. I should have made it more clear in my rant above really deals with cheating when other human beings are involved. Such is the case with MGE. If it makes the SP game more enjoyable to use the "Cheat Menu", then go ahead and do it. The term "Cheat Menu" is not really all encompassing. It is a testing and editing tool as well.The bottom line, IMHO...those who cheat at interactive multiplayer PC games are pathetic. Those who cheat OTHERS in RL are just as pathetic. It is in RL that their true character comes to the forefront. Those who cheat THEMSELVES in RL are in for a great awakening down the road. Cheating...Just Say No! |
Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted April 28, 2000 17:30
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well said.I play for fun more than to win and it seems to me that cheating would remove the fun.Not much point in it then...
sadly this an old program.There are better ones out there.Its not practical to include security features with games.But that is what it would take.Then some genius finds a crack...
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Carolus Rex
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Sweden
b.02-15-99
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posted May 01, 2000 05:07
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Smash, what did you mean in your post above ("saving every turn is a double edged sword")? Which things do you find out that you really don't want to?Vlad, could you please elaborate on the whacky stuff your mouse did? Mine has been strange in some games, for example when I adjust the taxes/science/luxuries rates... Carolus |
Smash
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Vancouver Canada PST
Jul 1999
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posted May 01, 2000 14:19
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well,when you examine saves later on and find civs full of non units.A 1200 gold treasury at 2800bc.This kinda stuff.You thought you had a good game with good players but what you actually have is a joke. |
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